Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-29 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Steve Richfield wrote: > > Neil deGrasse Tyson the astronomer believes that bacteria DID discover space > travel, by way of being catapulted into space via meteor impacts to later > fall to earth. In short, his theory is that life did NOT begin here on earth, >

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-28 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt and Charles, Neil deGrasse Tyson the astronomer believes that bacteria DID discover space travel, by way of being catapulted into space via meteor impacts to later fall to earth. In short, his theory is that life did NOT begin here on earth, and may be even older than the earth itself. Note

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-28 Thread Charles Hixson
On 03/27/2015 04:05 AM, Tim Tyler wrote: On 26/03/2015 13:55, Matt Mahoney wrote: I don't believe AGI will be solved with quantum computers, because the brain is not a quantum computer. I believe that consciousness is a computable belief, not a magic key that will unlock AGI if only we under

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-28 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt, On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Steve Richfield > wrote: > > There may be a solution here by "cheating" a bit. There is no issue of > polynomial time when there are enough processors to simultaneously consider > ALL possible solutio

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-28 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Steve Richfield wrote: > There may be a solution here by "cheating" a bit. There is no issue of > polynomial time when there are enough processors to simultaneously consider > ALL possible solutions. For example, if you have more processors than there > are pro

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-27 Thread Jim Bromer
I appreciate all of your help Matt and I hope we can be friendly in the future. I have discovered something very cool and I am just starting to peek over it to see a little bit of how it works. I don't honestly know if it will work for SAT or not but it is such an interesting idea that I know it wi

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-27 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Jim Bromer wrote: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Matt Mahoney > wrote: >> You are aware that a solution to any one of the over 3000 known >> NP-complete problems will solve all of them, right? What I find >> amazing is that you didn't know this after all the

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-27 Thread Jim Bromer
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > You are aware that a solution to any one of the over 3000 known > NP-complete problems will solve all of them, right? What I find > amazing is that you didn't know this after all the years you have been > working on the problem. > -- Matt Mah

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-27 Thread Jim Bromer
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Jim Bromer wrote: > >> I am now totally confident that P=NP. > > I would be too if the Lord told me so. But since He hasn't, I will > wait until someone actually presents a solution. > >> However, only being

RE: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-27 Thread John Rose
> -Original Message- > From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:mattmahone...@gmail.com] > > >> I don't believe in psi, and I think it is even less likely that P = NP. > >> You might > disagree. > > > > C'mon. Psi is really 'spooky action at a distance' no? Would precognition be > non-local quantum ent

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-27 Thread Tim Tyler
On 26/03/2015 23:04, Matt Mahoney wrote: Hopefully AGI (or whatever you want to call an all-powerful internet) will make people smart enough to make sensible decisions. I am optimistic that it will. More intelligence on the planet would certainly seem to be sorely needed. No offense intended t

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-27 Thread Tim Tyler
On 26/03/2015 13:55, Matt Mahoney wrote: I don't believe AGI will be solved with quantum computers, because the brain is not a quantum computer. I believe that consciousness is a computable belief, not a magic key that will unlock AGI if only we understood it. I don't believe in psi, and I thi

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-26 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Steve Richfield wrote: > Moreover, **I** believe that every problem machines will eventually be able > to solve can and will be solved by humans (with a little help from their > machines). That is certainly a sensible approach. Machines are already smarter than

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-26 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Jim Bromer wrote: > I am now totally confident that P=NP. I would be too if the Lord told me so. But since He hasn't, I will wait until someone actually presents a solution. > However, only being able to > find one logical solution in polynomial time seems prett

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-26 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:38 PM, John Rose wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:mattmahone...@gmail.com] >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:04 AM, John Rose >> wrote: >> >> I don't believe AGI will be solved with quantum computers, because the brain >> is not >> a quan

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-26 Thread Jim Bromer
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:38 PM, John Rose wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:mattmahone...@gmail.com] >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:04 AM, John Rose >> wrote: >> >> I don't believe AGI will be solved with quantum computers, because the brain >> is not >> a quan

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-26 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt, On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:04 AM, John Rose > wrote: > > > Many things are ”unsolved”. Evolution is unsolved. Compression is > unsolved. Prediction is unsolved. Engineering is unsolved. > > Just to be clear, I don't believe that AGI i

RE: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-26 Thread John Rose
> -Original Message- > From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:mattmahone...@gmail.com] > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:04 AM, John Rose > wrote: > > I don't believe AGI will be solved with quantum computers, because the brain > is not > a quantum computer. Are you sure? Does belief in something eff

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-26 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:04 AM, John Rose wrote: > Many things are ”unsolved”. Evolution is unsolved. Compression is unsolved. > Prediction is unsolved. Engineering is unsolved. Just to be clear, I don't believe that AGI is impossible. I believe that every problem that humans can solve can and

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-26 Thread Steve Richfield
. Therefore, we have to ride this wave now and stop > talking about buying a surf board. Everyone who is tuned into the world and > nature and the universe knows what happens after the 7th wave has passed. > Why are we feigning ignorance when the facts are staring us in the face? I > don&

RE: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-25 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
r choices then, and live by them. That is my half a wish... Rob Benjamin DISCLAIMER: The writer assumes no responsibility for anything that is taken out of the fullest context of this message. It should be read, copied, and understood in its entirety alone. Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-25 Thread Samantha Atkins
"Why is AGI so difficult?" Why wouldn't it be difficult to duplicate many of the most prized capabilities of the human brain, which came about by a very long running GA in effect, by using more direct engineering? Why wouldn't it be difficult when we have only rather rudimentary ability to date t

RE: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-25 Thread John Rose
something that is solved – Atomic Bombs? No. Disease? No… Disease is unsolved so let’s throw our hands up in the air and declare it impossible. John From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:mattmahone...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:50 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Half a Wish... We

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-25 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Mike Archbold wrote: > Steve, > Link to patent? Thanks > Google mercifully gave up on the U.S. patent office, and now maintains their own patent archives. Their page for my patent is at: http://www.google.com/patents/US8788263 and they have the full PDF

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-24 Thread Mike Archbold
Steve, Link to patent? Thanks On 3/24/15, Steve Richfield wrote: > Matt, > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Matt Mahoney > wrote: > >> We all have our pet theories why AGI is unsolved. Meanwhile, Google and >> Facebook are making real progress while ignoring them. >> > > ... and I have "hire

RE: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-24 Thread colin hales
I hope it goes well Steve. Cheers Colin -Original Message- From: "Steve Richfield" Sent: ‎25/‎03/‎2015 8:17 AM To: "AGI" Subject: Re: [agi] Half a Wish... Matt, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: We all have our pet theories why AGI is unsolve

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-24 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > We all have our pet theories why AGI is unsolved. Meanwhile, Google and > Facebook are making real progress while ignoring them. > ... and I have "hired" (for a piece of the action) a CEO , who has prepared a business plan to raise $

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-24 Thread Mike Archbold
I thought I saw a set of metrics in one of Ben's papers, not sure which one though... On 3/23/15, Steve Richfield via AGI wrote: > In most areas of research, there are ways of recognizing way-points on the > path to domination. For example, in medical research, the halfway point to > curing an il

Re: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-24 Thread Matt Mahoney
We all have our pet theories why AGI is unsolved. Meanwhile, Google and Facebook are making real progress while ignoring them. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:43 PM, colin hales via AGI wrote: > Of course you know my take on this: It's because we've been insisting on > using computers and assuming con

RE: [agi] Half a Wish...

2015-03-23 Thread colin hales via AGI
Of course you know my take on this: It's because we've been insisting on using computers and assuming consciousness away for 60 years. Cheers Colin -Original Message- From: "Steve Richfield via AGI" Sent: ‎24/‎03/‎2015 8:09 AM To: "AGI" Subject: [agi] Half a Wish... In most areas of re