Re: [agi] Lossy ** lossless compression

2006-08-27 Thread Mark Waser
Suppose I claim that text8.zip available at http://cs.fit.edu/~mmahoney/compression/textdata.html is in canonical form. I reject your nonsensical claim. If you claim that this is not in canonical form, then prove it. Specify a criteria for canonical form, a pass/fail test. By

Re: [agi] Lossy ** lossless compression

2006-08-27 Thread Matt Mahoney
Mark, I didn't get your attachment, the program that tells me if an arbitrary text string is in canonical form or not. Actually, if it will make it any easier, I really only need to know if a string is a canonical representation of Wikipedia.Oh, wait... there can only be one canonical form. I

Re: [agi] Lossy ** lossless compression

2006-08-27 Thread Charles D Hixson
Matt Mahoney wrote: Mark, I didn't get your attachment, the program that tells me if an arbitrary text string is in canonical form or not. Actually, if it will make it any easier, I really only need to know if a string is a canonical representation of Wikipedia. Oh, wait... there can only

Re: [agi] Lossy ** lossless compressi

2006-08-27 Thread Philip Goetz
On 8/25/06, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I stated earlier, the fact that there is normal variation in human language models makes it easier for a machine to pass the Turing test. However, a machine with a lossless model will still outperform one with a lossy model because the

Re: [agi] Lossy ** lossless compressi

2006-08-27 Thread Matt Mahoney
In showing that compression implies AI, I first make the simplifying assumption that everyone shares the same language model. Then I relax that assumption and argue that this makes it easier for a machine to pass the Turing test. But I see your point. I argued that a lossless model knows