Re: [agi] Re: pattern definition

2008-05-13 Thread Mike Tintner
Joseph H: Mike, what is your stance on vector images? -- Hi Joe, What's the point of this question? Is it something like: geometry can be used to analyse any shapes?

Re: [agi] Defining understanding (was Re: Newcomb's Paradox)

2008-05-13 Thread Stan Nilsen
Matt Mahoney wrote: Remember that the goal is to test for understanding in intelligent agents that are not necessarily human. What does it mean for a machine to understand something? What does it mean to understand a string of bits? Have you considered testing intelligent agents by simply

Re: [agi] Defining understanding (was Re: Newcomb's Paradox)

2008-05-13 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Stan Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Mahoney wrote: Remember that the goal is to test for understanding in intelligent agents that are not necessarily human. What does it mean for a machine to understand something? What does it mean to understand a string of bits?

Re: [agi] Defining understanding (was Re: Newcomb's Paradox)

2008-05-13 Thread Stan Nilsen
Matt Mahoney wrote: --- Stan Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Mahoney wrote: Remember that the goal is to test for understanding in intelligent agents that are not necessarily human. What does it mean for a machine to understand something? What does it mean to understand a string of

Re: [agi] Re: pattern definition

2008-05-13 Thread Joseph Henry
Well, I figured the point of the question would be pretty clear seeing as you were claiming a logical/mathematical description of images would be inadequate, but I don't think that could be further from the truth... You could recreate a large amount of detail in an image using mathematics and it

Re: [agi] Defining understanding (was Re: Newcomb's Paradox)

2008-05-13 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Stan Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Mahoney wrote: --- Stan Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Mahoney wrote: Remember that the goal is to test for understanding in intelligent agents that are not necessarily human. What does it mean for a machine to understand

Re: [agi] Re: pattern definition

2008-05-13 Thread Joseph Henry
Mike, here's your bucket. Circle(0,50,10) Circle(0,45,10) Ring(0,45,6,8) Cylinder(0,50,45,10) Cylinder(0,45,-10,8) Disk(0,-10,8) - Joe --- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed:

Re: [agi] Re: pattern definition

2008-05-13 Thread Mike Tintner
Joe, Thanks for reply - yes, I thought you meant something like this, but it's good to have it spelled out. I think you're making what seems to me to be a v. common mistake among AGI-ers. Yes, you can reduce any image whatsoever on a computer screen, to some set of mathemetical

Re: [agi] Re: pattern definition

2008-05-13 Thread Mike Tintner
Joe, And here's a perhaps easier [?], certainly more commonplace set - how will your system recognize each is Madonna: http://www.the-planets.com/madonna/madonna_200.jpg http://www.ouvre.com/wp-content/banniere-itms-madonna.png

Re: [agi] The Messy World [for Steve R]

2008-05-13 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, On 5/12/08, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading the following in a psych. group, made me think of your diagnostic program - the real world is generally messy: The principle applies to all AGI programs. there is of course an interesting phenomenon in medicine generally

Re: Newcomb's Paradox (was Re: [agi] Goal Driven Systems and AI Dangers)

2008-05-13 Thread Jim Bromer
- Original Message Stan Nilsen wrote: After thinking a bit more, I see that there are other ways to understand that do not deal with process. I can think of two cases of a different kind of understanding (and there are others I'm sure) Case 1 example: Do you understand wood?