Re: [agi] Ideological Interactions Need to be Studied

2008-06-07 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Jun 7, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Richard Loosemore wrote: But that is a world away from the idea that neurons, as they are, are as simple as transistors. I do not believe this was a simple misunderstanding on my part: the claim that neurons are as simple as transistors is an unsupportable one.

Re: [agi] Ideological Interactions Need to be Studied

2008-06-07 Thread Richard Loosemore
Vladimir Nesov wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But I have no problem with this at all! :-). This is exactly what I believe, but I was arguing against a different claim! Rogers did actually say that "neurons are simple" and then went on t

Re: [agi] Ideological Interactions Need to be Studied

2008-06-07 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Jun 7, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Vladimir Nesov wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But I have no problem with this at all! :-). This is exactly what I believe, but I was arguing against a different claim! Rogers did actually say that "ne

Re: [agi] Ideological Interactions Need to be Studied

2008-06-07 Thread Mark Waser
Richard said But I have no problem with this at all! :-). This is exactly what I believe, but I was arguing against a different claim! Rogers did actually say that "neurons are simple" and then went on to claim that they were simple because (essentially) you could black-box them with som

Re: [agi] Ideological Interactions Need to be Studied

2008-06-07 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But I have no problem with this at all! :-). This is exactly what I > believe, but I was arguing against a different claim! Rogers did actually > say that "neurons are simple" and then went on to claim that they

Re: [agi] Ideological Interactions Need to be Studied

2008-06-07 Thread Richard Loosemore
Vladimir Nesov wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The example was a strawman? It was a precise analogue of the situation we are talking about, so calling it a strawman, or calling it irrelevant, is just a way of avoiding what I said. I was refer

[agi] Developmental Models of Intelligence

2008-06-07 Thread Mike Tintner
Below, Rodney Brooks sets up a de facto model of the development of intelligence - and it strikes me any such models are v. useful for AGI, for they suggest a natural order of levels in which any intelligence may have to learn about the world. Can anyone think of any similar models whatsoever,

Re: [agi] Ideological Interactions Need to be Studied

2008-06-07 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The example was a strawman? > > It was a precise analogue of the situation we are talking about, so calling > it a strawman, or calling it irrelevant, is just a way of avoiding what I > said. > > I was refering to a sp