Re: [agi] Re: Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-10 Thread David Jones
Mike, Using the image itself as a template to match is possible. In fact it has been done before. But it suffers from several problems that would also need solving. 1) Images are 2D. I assume you are also referring to 2D outlines. Real objects are 3D. So, you're going to have to infer the shape

Re: [agi] Re: Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-10 Thread David Jones
I accidentally pressed something and it sent it early... this is a finished version: Mike, Using the image itself as a template to match is possible. In fact it has been done before. But it suffers from several problems that would also need solving. 1) Images are 2D. I assume you are also

Re: [agi] Re: Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-10 Thread Mike Tintner
General point: you keep talking as if algorithms *work* for visual AGI - they don't - they simply haven't. Unless you take a set of objects carefully chosen to be closely aligned and close in overall form- and then it's not AGI. But in general the algorithmic patterned approach has been a bust

Re: [agi] Re: Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-10 Thread David Jones
Mike, Your claim that you have to reject encoded and simpler descriptions of the world to solve AGI is unfounded. You can't solve the problems with your approach either. So, this is argument is going no where. You won't admit that you're faced with the same problems no matter how you approach it.

Re: [agi] Re: Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-10 Thread Mike Tintner
Dave:You can't solve the problems with your approach either This is based on knowledge of what examples? Zero? I have given you one instance of s.o. [a technologist not a philosopher like me] who is if only in broad principle, trying to proceed in a non-encoding, analog-comparison direction.

Re: [agi] Re: Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-10 Thread David Jones
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: Dave:You can't solve the problems with your approach either This is based on knowledge of what examples? Zero? It is based on the fact that you have refused to show how you deal with uncertainty. You haven't even

Re: [agi] Re: Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-10 Thread Abram Demski
David, Sorry for the slow response. I agree completely about expectations vs predictions, though I wouldn't use that terminology to make the distinction (since the two terms are near-synonyms in English, and I'm not aware of any technical definitions that are common in the literature). This is