RE: [agi] AI and computation (was: The Next Wave)

2003-01-12 Thread Ben Goertzel
Once again, the interesting question is not Is NARS a TM?, but Is NARS a TM with respect to problem P? If the problem is To answer Ben's email on `AI and compuation', then the system is not a TM (though it may be a TM in many other senses). For this reason, to discuss the computability

Re: [agi] AI and computation (was: The Next Wave)

2003-01-11 Thread Shane Legg
Pei Wang wrote: In my opinion, one of the most common mistakes made by people is to think AI in terms of computability and computational complexity, using concepts like Turing machine, algorithm, and so on. For a long argument, see http://www.cis.temple.edu/~pwang/551-PT/Lecture/Computation.pdf.

Re: [agi] AI and computation (was: The Next Wave)

2003-01-11 Thread Ben Goertzel
Shane Legg wrote, responding to Pei Wang: Perhaps where our difference is best highlighted is in the following quote that you use: “something can be computational at one level, but not at another level” [Hofstadter, 1985] To this I would say: Something can LOOK like computation

Re: [agi] AI and computation (was: The Next Wave)

2003-01-11 Thread Pei Wang
in solving it? What is the computational complexity of this process? Pei - Original Message - From: Shane Legg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [agi] AI and computation (was: The Next Wave) Pei Wang wrote: In my opinion, one

RE: [agi] AI and computation (was: The Next Wave)

2003-01-11 Thread Ben Goertzel
Pei: For that level issue, one way to see it is through the concept of virtual machine. We all know that at a low level computer only has procedural language and binary data, but at a high level it has non-procedural language (such as functional or logical languages) and decimal data.

Re: [agi] AI and computation (was: The Next Wave)

2003-01-11 Thread Pei Wang
- Original Message - From: Shane Legg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [agi] AI and computation (was: The Next Wave) Hi Pei, One issue that make that version of the paper controversial is the term computation, which

RE: [agi] AI and computation (was: The Next Wave)

2003-01-11 Thread Ben Goertzel
Pei wrote: Right. Again let's use NARS as a concrete example. It can answer questions, but if you ask the same question twice to the system at different time, you may get different answers. In this sense, there is no algorithm that takes the question as input, and produces an unique