Re : [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-04-03 Thread Bruno Frandemiche
http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/arch.htm Architectures for Intelligent Systems good day - Message d'origine De : William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Lundi, 31 Mars 2008, 23h35mn 42s Objet : Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook On 26/03/2008, Ben

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI textbook

2008-03-31 Thread Jean-paul Van Belle
Hi Ben Hereby my proposed additional topics / references for your wiki - aimed at the more computer scienty/mathematically challenged (like me): Sorry don't have the time to add directly to the wiki AGI ARCHITECTURES (EXPANDS on the COGNITIVE ARCHITECTURES section) Questions about any Would-Be

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI textbook

2008-03-31 Thread Mark Waser
Finally be selective on whom you engage with on the AGI list ;-) This should have been first.:-) - Original Message - From: Jean-paul Van Belle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI textbook Hi Ben

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-31 Thread William Pearson
On 26/03/2008, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics I've

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-29 Thread Robert Wensman
Hmm.. well, but at least, using words related to robotics gives a flavour of embodiment :-). Anyhow, I still prefer sharing terminology with robotics, as opposed to narrow AI. Narrow AI and AGI are perhaps closer, so the risk of confusion is bigger. /R 2008/3/29, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-29 Thread Mike Tintner
Robert/Ben:. In fact. I would suggest that AGI researchers start to distinguish themselves from narrow AGI by replacing the over ambiguous concepts from AI, one by one. For example: knowledge representation = world model. learning = world model creation reasoning = world model simulation

General vs. narrow AI (was: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook)

2008-03-29 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO there is one key in fact crucial distinction between AI AGI - which hinges on adaptivity. An AI program has special(ised) adaptivity -can adapt its actions but only within a known domain An AGI has general

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-29 Thread Jim Bromer
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert/Ben:. In fact. I would suggest that AGI researchers start to distinguish themselves from narrow AGI by replacing the over ambiguous concepts from AI, one by one. For example: knowledge representation =

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-28 Thread Robert Wensman
A few things come to my mind: 1. To what extent is learning and reasoning a sub topic of cognitive architectures? Is learning and reasoning a plugin to a cognitive architecture, or is in fact the whole cognitive architecture about learning and reasoning. 2. I would like a special topic on AGI

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-28 Thread Lukasz Stafiniak
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Robert Wensman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few things come to my mind: 1. To what extent is learning and reasoning a sub topic of cognitive architectures? Is learning and reasoning a plugin to a cognitive architecture, or is in fact the whole cognitive

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Aki Iskandar
to merge them into one wiki page, but several. Pei On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Ben Goertzel
to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much but outline a table of contents

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Mark Waser
Textbook Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much but outline

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Stephen Reed
] Instead of an AGI Textbook Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Ben Goertzel
] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi Stephen, Ben, Wikipedia has significant overlap with the topic list on the AGIRI Wiki. I propose for discussion the notion that the AGIRI Wiki be content-compatible with Wikipedia along two dimensions: license - authors agree to the GNU Free Documentation License I have no problem with

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Stephen Reed
. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:46:24 PM Subject: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread BillK
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: Is there some kind of online software that lets a group of people update a Mind Map diagram collaboratively, in the manner of a Wiki page? This would seem critical if a Mind Map is to really be useful for the purpose you suggest...

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Kaj Sotala
On 3/26/08, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. Ben, while we're on the topic, could you elaborate a bit on what kind of prerequisite knowledge the books you've written/edited require? For instance, I've been

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Richard Loosemore
A propos of the several branches of discussion about AGI textbooks on this thread... Knowing what I do about the structure and content of the book I am writing, I cannot imagine it being merged as just a set of branch points from other works, like the one growing from Ben's TOC. What I

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Ben Goertzel
Fair enough, Richard... Again I'll emphasize that the idea of the Instead of an AGI Textbook is not to teach any particular theory or design for AGI, but rather to convey background knowledge that is useful for folks who wish to come to grips with contemporary AGI theories and designs I have

Fwd: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Ben Goertzel
BTW I improved the hierarchical organization of the TOC a bit, to remove the impression that it's just a random grab-bag of topics... http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook ben --- agi Archives:

[agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much but outline a table

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Robin Gane-McCalla
of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much but outline a table

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Richard Loosemore
Ben Goertzel wrote: Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
of detail in various places ... I'll be publishing more of mine this year, in the PLN book, and then in the OpenCog documentation and plans ... but many of the conceptual aspects of my approach were already mentioned in The Hidden Pattern My goal in Instead of an AGI Textbook is **not** to present anyone's

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, Unfortunately I cannot bring myself to believe this will help anyone new to the area. The main reason is that this is only a miscellaneous list of topics, with nothing to indicate a comprehensive

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Pei Wang
, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
I'll try to find the time to provide my list --- at this moment, it will be more like a reading list than a textbook TOC. That would be great -- however I may integrate your reading list into my TOC ... as I really think there is value in a structured and categorized reading list rather than

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Aki Iskandar
started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much but outline a table of contents there. So I'm hoping some of you can chip in and fill in some relevant hyperlinks

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much but outline a table of contents there. So I'm hoping some of you can chip in and fill in some relevant

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
I actually recently purchased Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach - but only because I did not know where else to start. It's a very good book ... if you view it as providing insight into various component technologies of potential use for AGI ... rather than as saying very much

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Aki Iskandar
- but it is a worthwhile endeavor, and I'm happy to do it. ~Aki On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Aki Iskandar
on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much but outline a table of contents there. So I'm hoping some of you can chip

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Aki Iskandar
Thanks Ben. That is really exciting stuff / news. I'm loking forward to OpenCog. BTW - is OpenCog mainly in C++ (like Novamente) ? Or is it translations (to Java, or other languages) of concepts so that others can code and add to it more readily and quickly? Thanks, ~Aki On Tue, Mar 25,

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Pei Wang
page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much but outline a table of contents there. So I'm hoping some of you can chip in and fill in some relevant

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Pei Wang
, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Aki Iskandar
, but several. Pei On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to speed on AGI. So I started a wiki page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Aki Iskandar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ben. That is really exciting stuff / news. I'm loking forward to OpenCog. BTW - is OpenCog mainly in C++ (like Novamente) ? Or is it translations (to Java, or other languages) of concepts so that others can code

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
page called Instead of an AGI Textbook, http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much but outline a table of contents there. So I'm hoping some of you can chip in and fill in some relevant