Re: [agi] Re: Defining AGI.. PS

2008-10-18 Thread Mike Tintner
Trent, I should have added that our brain and body, by observing the mere shape/outline of others bodies as in Matisse's Dancers, can tell not only how to *shape* our own outline, but how to dispose of our *whole body* - we transpose/translate (or flesh out) a static two-dimensional body

AW: [agi] Re: Defining AGI.. PS

2008-10-18 Thread Dr. Matthias Heger
I do not agree that body mapping is necessary for general intelligence. But this would be one of the easiest problems today. In the area of mapping the body onto another (artificial) body, computers are already very smart: See the video on this page: http://www.image-metrics.com/ -Matthias

Re: [agi] Re: Defining AGI.. PS

2008-10-18 Thread Mike Tintner
Matthias: I do not agree that body mapping is necessary for general intelligence. But this would be one of the easiest problems today. In the area of mapping the body onto another (artificial) body, computers are already very smart: See the video on this page: http://www.image-metrics.com/

AW: [agi] Re: Defining AGI.. PS

2008-10-18 Thread Dr. Matthias Heger
I think here you can see that automated mapping between different faces is possible and the computer can smoothly morph between them. I think, the performance is much better than the imagination of humans can be. http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=nice6NYb_WA -Matthias Mike Tintner wrote

Re: [agi] Re: Defining AGI.. PS

2008-10-18 Thread Mike Tintner
Matthias: I think here you can see that automated mapping between different faces is possible and the computer can smoothly morph between them. I think, the performance is much better than the imagination of humans can be. http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=nice6NYb_WA Matthias, Perhaps we're

Re: [agi] Re: Defining AGI.. PS

2008-10-18 Thread Harry Chesley
On 10/18/2008 9:27 AM, Mike Tintner wrote: What rational computers can't do is find similarities between disparate, irregular objects - via fluid transformation - the essence of imagination. So you don't believe that this is possible by finding combinations of abstract shapes (lines,

AW: [agi] Re: Defining AGI.. PS

2008-10-18 Thread Dr. Matthias Heger
I think it does involve being confronted with two different faces or objects randomly chosen/positioned and finding/recognizing the similarities between them. If you have watched the video carefully then you have heard that they have spoken from automated algorithms which do the matching. On

Re: [agi] Re: Defining AGI.. PS

2008-10-18 Thread Mike Tintner
Matthias, When a programmer (or cameraman) macroscopic(ally) positions two faces - adjusting them manually so that they are capable of precise point-to-point matching, that proceeds from an initial act of visual object recognition - and indeed imagination, as I have defined it. He will

AW: [agi] Re: Defining AGI.. PS

2008-10-18 Thread Dr. Matthias Heger
After the first positioning there is no point to point matching at all. The main intelligence comes from the knowledge base of hundreds of 3d scanned faces. This is a huge vector space. And it is no easy task to match a given picture of a face with a vector(=face) within the vector space. The

Re: [agi] Re: Defining AGI.. PS

2008-10-18 Thread Abram Demski
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthias, When a programmer (or cameraman) macroscopic(ally) positions two faces - adjusting them manually so that they are capable of precise point-to-point matching, that proceeds from an initial act of visual object