domain. One may say its the seed of reason
or at least the path it traces.
Gus
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It's
true that nearly all thoughts have some physiological/primordial-brain
associations, but in some cases (the ones we call "emotions") these associations
are the DOMINANT part of the thought/experience, whereas in other cases they're
only a minor aspect...
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erhaps you are defining
"thought" differently, though.
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It's
true that near
I just spent 10 minutes trying to figure out a definition of emotion for the purpose
of AI.
Here is the thought:
http://www.mageo.com/home/GEORGE_71/index.html?g71p=define.html#emotion
Sincerely,
Jiri Jelinek
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I'll add one last point here..the Dalai Lama,
when talking with western inte
Bill,
I think that emotions in humans are CORRELATED with value-judgments, but are
certainly not identical to them.
We can have emotions that are ambiguous in value, and we can have strong
value judgments with very little emotion attached to them.
-- Ben G
Bill, I agree with you that
Ben,
I think that emotions in humans are CORRELATED with value-judgments, but are
certainly not identical to them.
We can have emotions that are ambiguous in value, and we can have strong
value judgments with very little emotion attached to them.
That is reasonable. As I said in my first
I said:
That is reasonable. As I said in my first post on this topic,
there is variation in the way people define emotion. The
quotes from Edelman and Crick show some precedence for
defining emotion essentially as value, but it is also common
to define emotion more in terms of expression or
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Ben Goertzel wrote:
Emotions ARE thoughts but they differ from most thoughts in the extent to
which they involve the primordial brain AND the non-neural physiology of
the body as well. This non-brain-centricity means that emotions are more
out of 'our' control than
I guess we call emotions 'feelings' because we feel them - ie. we can
feel the effect they trigger in our whole body, detected via our internal
monitoring of physical body condition.
Given this, unless AGIs are also programmed for thoughts or goal
satisfactions to trigger 'physical'
Philip Sutton wrote:
I guess we call emotions 'feelings' because we *feel *them - ie. we can
feel the effect they trigger in our whole body, detected via our
internal monitoring of physical body condition.
Given this, unless AGIs are also programmed for thoughts or goal
satisfactions to
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Bill, I agree with you that emotions are tied to
motivation of behavior in humans
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Emotions ARE thoughts but they differ from most
thoughts in the extent
to which they involve the "primordial&q
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Agreed --- we tend to project even abstract experiences back down to
our physical layer, and then react to them physically ... a ki
ave a very profoundly
bad effect on us over time...I think an AGI will also need to watch these subtle
accumulations..
--Kevin
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with
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In your paper you take a stab at defining
An unexpected mental event or an unplanned mental
excursion does not in itself constitute an emotion. An epileptic seizure
is not an emotion. Most emotions, perhaps all, are very predictable from
causes. You will the lottery or the girl next door says "yes" and you are
happy. Someone runs
tive brain.
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Ben
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An unexpected mental event or an unplanned mental
excursion does not
It is true that there is a portion of the process
of emotion that is not under our conscious control. There are in fact many
cognitive functions underlying lots of different conscious thoughts that are not
subject to our introspection or direct control, though perhaps not beyond our
onses"
How do
you define "emotions", Mike?
ben
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It is true tha
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It is true that there is a portion of the process of emotion that is not
under our conscious control. There are in fact
In your paper you take a stab at defining emotions
and explaining different kinds of emotions' relationship to goals achievement
and motivation of important behaviors (fight, flight, reproduction). And
then you go on to say that AI's will have goals and motivations and important
behaviors,
Hi Ben,
Question: Will AGI's experience emotions like humans do?
Answer:
http://www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/2004/Emotions.htm
I'm wondering whether *social* organisms are likely to have a more
active emotional life because inner psychological states need to be
flagged physiologically to other
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Hi Ben,
Question: Will AGI's experience emotions like humans do?
Answer:
http://www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/2004/Emotions.htm
I'm wondering whether *social* organisms are likely to have a more
active emotional life because inner
Hi Ben,
Why would an AGI be driven to achieve *general* harmony between
inner and outer worlds - rather than just specific cases of congruence?
Why would a desire for specific cases of congruence between the inner
and outer worlds lead an AGI (that is not programmed or trained to do
so) to
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Hi Ben,
Why would an AGI be driven to achieve *general* harmony between
inner
Hi Ben,
Adding Choice to the mix provides a principle-level motivation not to
impose one's own will upon the universe without considering the wills
of others as well...
Whose choice - everyone or the AGI? That has to be specified in the
ethic - otherwise it could be the AGI only - then
triggered this whole
dialogue...
ben
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Hi Ben,
Adding Choice to the mi
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