[agi] Robert Hecht-Nielsen's stuff
A while back Rob Sperry posted a link to a video of a presentation by Robert Hecht-Nielsen. ( http://inc2.ucsd.edu/inc_videos/ ) In it he claims to have worked out how the brain thinks :) I didn't look at it at the time as it's 150MB+ and only had a dial up account, but checked it out the other day with my new ADSL account. Aside from his, well, rather over the top style of presentation, what do people think of this? I haven't seen any comment to this list and don't know much neuroscience myself either. He has a book too, has anybody read it? Cheers Shane --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [agi] Robert Hecht-Nielsen's stuff
Well the short gist of this guy's spiel is that Lenat is on the right track. The key is to accumulate terabytes of stupid, temporally forward associations between elements. A little background check reveals that this guy isn't a complete nutcase. He's got some publications (but not many), and a real lab position. However, his claims are a bit too grandiose and he smacks a bit of a snake oil salesman at the end when he's fielding the questions, especially the one about the inability of his theory to handle the tightly regimented sequence of commands necessary to execute motor programs. He sidesteps that one in a particularly obfuscatory fashion. Nor is his model very interesting in its application. Neuroscience data stands counter to his basic claim that the cortex is just a big sheet of associatiors, there are many genetically described connection patterns. His claim that we set up relatively immutable patterns early in life have only been shown to be true for the visual cortex as far as I know. AI isn't a failure because everyone involved is an idiot and keeps missing the obvious point that this genius has stumbled upon. AI is a failure because AI is hard. I give it a C-. It's long on words and full of idealistic grandeur, but short on substance when you really boil it down. -Brad --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Educating an AI in a simulated world
Hi Ben, If Novababies are going to play and learn in a simulated world which is most likely based on an agent-based/object-orientated programming foundation, would it be useful for the basic Novamente to have prebuilt capacity for agent-based modelling? Would this in be necessary if a Novababy is to process objects in their native format as suggested by Brad Wyble (eg. sprites in 3d coordinates). Cheers, Philip --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Educating an AI in a simulated world
Hi, This kind of built-in capability certainly isn't *necessary* but it might be useful. This kind of issue is definitely worth exploring... More thoughts later ;-) ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Philip Sutton Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 11:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [agi] Educating an AI in a simulated world Hi Ben, If Novababies are going to play and learn in a simulated world which is most likely based on an agent-based/object-orientated programming foundation, would it be useful for the basic Novamente to have prebuilt capacity for agent-based modelling? Would this in be necessary if a Novababy is to process objects in their native format as suggested by Brad Wyble (eg. sprites in 3d coordinates). Cheers, Philip --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [agi] Robert Hecht-Nielsen's stuff
Brad Wyble wrote: Well the short gist of this guy's spiel is that Lenat is on the right track. My understanding was that he argues that Lenat is on the wrong track! Lenat is trying to accumulate a large body of relatively high level logical rules about the world. This is very hard to do and requires a vast amount of human labour to do. Hecht-Nielsen argues that the brain doesn't in fact logically reason (at least not directly or course) but rather does something simpler. Essentially some kind of pattern matching and association as I understand it. Also, the knowledge representation system is at a sub-logical being made up of relatively simple associations formed on the most part by experience. This is the complete opposite of Cyc. Indeed, he attributes much of the failure of AI to be due to the assumption that intelligent systems should work on some kind of logic and use logical expressions to represent knowledge. Surely Cyc is in this tradition and so, from Hecht-Nielsen's point of view, must be on the wrong track? Shane --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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