Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-01 Thread John Scanlon
Matt, I totally agree with you on Cyc and LISP. To go further, I think Cyc is a dead end because of the assumption that intelligence is dependent on a vast store of knowledge, basically represented in a semantic net. Intelligence should start with the learning of simple patterns in images and

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-01 Thread Charles D Hixson
John Scanlon wrote: Ben, I did read your stuff on Lojban++, and it's the sort of language I'm talking about. This kind of language lets the computer and the user meet halfway. The computer can parse the language like any other computer language, but the terms and constructions are

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-01 Thread Jiri Jelinek
John,One of the major obstacles to real AI is the belief thatknowledge ofa natural language is necessary for intelligence.I agree. And it's IMO nearly impossible for AGI to learn/understand NL when its only info source is NL. We get some extra [meta] data from our senses when learning NL (which

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-01 Thread BillK
On 11/1/06, Charles D Hixson wrote: So. Lojban++ might be a good language for humans to communicate to an AI with, but it would be a lousy language in which to implement that same AI. But even for this purpose the language needs a verifier to insure that the correct forms are being followed.

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-01 Thread James Ratcliff
The AGI really does need to be able to read and write english or another natural language to be decently useful, people are just NOT goign to learn or be impressed with a machine that spurts out something incoherent (which they already can do)It is suprising how little actuall semantic ambiguity

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-01 Thread James Ratcliff
Forgot to add there is a large amount of syntactic and Word sense disambiguity, but there are some programs out there that handle that to a remarkable extent as well, and I believe can be improved upon.And for many tasks, I dont see any reason not to have some back and forth feedback in the loop

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-01 Thread Charles D Hixson
BillK wrote: On 11/1/06, Charles D Hixson wrote: So. Lojban++ might be a good language for humans to communicate to an AI with, but it would be a lousy language in which to implement that same AI. But even for this purpose the language needs a verifier to insure that the correct forms are

Re: [agi] Funky Intel hardware, a few years off...

2006-11-01 Thread Hank Conn
IBM's system [high thermal conductivity interface technology], while not yet ready for commercial production, is reportedly so efficient that officials expect it will double cooling efficiency. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15484274/ Probably being hyped more than its actual performance, but thiswill

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-01 Thread Gregory Johnson
Perhaps there is a shortcut to all of this. Provide the AGI with the hardware and software to jack into one or more human brains and let the bio-software of the human brain be the language interface development tool. I think we are creating some of this the hardware. This also puts AGI in a

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-01 Thread Mark Nuzzolilo II
- Original Message - From: Gregory Johnson Provide the AGI with the hardware and software to jack into one or more humanbrains and let the bio-software of the human brain be the language interface development tool. Jacking into the human brain? That is hardly a shortcut to AGI,