Mark,
I cannot hit everything now, so at least one part:
Are you *absolutely positive* that real pain and real
feelings aren't an emergent phenomenon of sufficiently complicated and
complex feedback loops? Are you *really sure* that a sufficiently
sophisticated AGI won't experience pain?
That quote made my evening!
Thanks :)
On 5/22/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The best definition of intelligence comes from (of all people) Hugh Loebner:
It's like pornography -- I can't define it exactly, but I like it when I see
it.
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Josh I think that people have this notion that because emotions are
Josh so unignorable and compelling subjectively, that they must be
Josh complex. In fact the body's contribution, in an information
Josh theoretic sense, is tiny -- I'm sure I way overestimate it with
Josh the 1%.
Emotions are
Note that some people suffer from rare disorders that prevent them
from the sensation of pain (e.g. congenital insensitivity to pain).
the pain info doesn't even make it to the brain because of
malfunctioning nerve cells which are responsible for transmitting the
pain signals (caused by
I recommend my publisher, MIT Press. They agreed to bring my book
out reasonably ($40 list if I recall for the hardcover); then came
with a paperback a year later that listed, I forget exactly, maybe
$26. And both versions were immediately discounted from there by
Amazon and BN, if I recall the
Jiri Note that some people suffer from rare
Jiri disorders that prevent them from the sensation of pain
Jiri (e.g. congenital insensitivity to pain).
What that tells you is that the sensation you feel is genetically
programmed. Break the program, you break (or change) the sensation.
Run the
MIT Press was among the first publishers I contacted. The editor said
they are not interested in the topic --- the manuscript didn't even
get a review. :(
Yes, their price is much more reasonable.
Pei
On 5/24/07, Eric Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I recommend my publisher, MIT Press. They
Different people have different ways of communicating. Many Murray posts
are sprinkled with annoyances but then they do have some intelligence and
wisdom. They remind me of a W. C. Fields like way of speaking with some
Snake Oil salesmanship. Actual Snake Oil BTW can be good for certain things
Some people are thrown by unusual ways of communicating, some are not.
Murray is drawing pretty consistent ratings/opinions (in terms of the validity
of his content) so I don't think that it is his communications style that is
the problem.
Personally, I judge content value on some
He definitely has a great vocabulary you have to admit and he is a good
showman. Also his critiques of others writings is interesting and humorous
as well. As far as the technical validity of his AI project I don't know
because I'm still struggling with the ASCII diagrams J
John
From:
It seems that AGI is going to require collaboration on a scale larger than
usual startups, so I'm thinking of a new business model as follows:
1. form a group of members with equal rights
2. let members contribute code / algorithms / architectures
3. members vote on the worth of the
I think it's important to have core technical decisions made up front,
before a group is gathered; there are things fundamental enough that they
can't be decided by committee.
I think it's equally important to have core business decisions made up
front, because there are aspects of the business
On 5/25/07, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sophisticated logical
structures (at least in our bodies) are not enough for actual
feelings. For example, to feel pleasure, you also need things like
serotonin, acetylcholine, noradrenaline, glutamate, enkephalins and
endorphins. Worlds of
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