On 17/10/2007, David Orban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are now Department of Labor predictions of 50%-80% unemployment
rates due to automation of white collar jobs. This in my opinion is
not a small matter either.
On the unemployment question I remain optimistic. If you go back a
few
Despite these arguments there are good reasons for caution. When you
look at the history of AI research one thing tends to stand out - some
people never seem to learn of the dangers of hype. Having been around
for a while I've heard many individuals make a ten years to SAI type
of prediction,
Remember that Eliezer is using holonic to describe *conflict resolution* in
the interpretation process. The reason it fits Koestler's usage is that it
uses *both* information about the parts that make up a possible entity and
the larger entities it might be part of.
Suppose we see the
I'd be interested in everyone's take on the following:
1. What is the single biggest technical gap between current AI and AGI? (e.g.
we need a way to do X or we just need more development of Y or we have the
ideas, just need hardware, etc)
2. Do you have an idea as to what should should be
Josh,
According to that font of undisputed truth, Wikipedia, the general
definition of a holon is:
A holon is a system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System (or phenomenon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenon ) that is a whole in itself as
well as a part of a larger system. It can be
On 10/18/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be interested in everyone's take on the following:
1. What is the single biggest technical gap between current AI and AGI? (
e.g.
we need a way to do X or we just need more development of Y or we have the
ideas, just need
On 10/18/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. What is the single biggest technical gap between current AI and AGI? (e.g.
we need a way to do X or we just need more development of Y or we have the
ideas, just need hardware, etc)
Procedural knowledge. Data in relational databases
On Thursday 18 October 2007 09:28:04 am, Edward W. Porter wrote:
Josh,
According to that font of undisputed truth, Wikipedia, the general
definition of a holon is:
...
Since a holon is embedded in larger wholes, it is influenced by and
influences these larger wholes. And since a holon
I guess, off the top of my head, the conversational equivalent might be a
Story Challenge - asking your AGI to tell some explanatory story about a
problem that had occurred to it recently, (designated by the tester), and
then perhaps asking it to devise a solution. Just my first thought -
1. What is the single biggest technical gap between current AI and AGI?
(e.g.
we need a way to do X or we just need more development of Y or we have
the
ideas, just need hardware, etc)
The biggest gap is the design of a system that can absorb information
generated by other
On 18/10/2007, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be interested in everyone's take on the following:
1. What is the single biggest technical gap between current AI and AGI? (e.g.
we need a way to do X or we just need more development of Y or we have the
ideas, just need hardware,
There certainly should be an AGI Test/Prize. Ben suggested a Toddler
Interview. In fact, in the interviews linked I could only see one Q A that
to me demonstrated any higher adaptive intelligence - with a child possibly
freely adapting materials to fit the problem - and then it wasn't the Q
On 10/18/07, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmmm... the storytelling direction is interesting.
E.g., you could tell the first half of a story to the test-taker, and ask
them
to finish it...
Or better, draw an animation of (both halves of) it.
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IN response to Bob Mottrams Thu 10/18/2007 3:38 AM post.
With regard to the fact that many people who promised to produce AI in the
past have failed -- I repeat what I have said on this list many times --
you cant do the type of computation the human brain does without at least
something within
1. What is the single biggest technical gap between current AI and AGI?
I think hardware is a limitation because it biases our thinking to focus on
simplistic models of intelligence. However, even if we had more computational
power at our disposal we do not yet know what to do with it, and
I think AGI test should fundamentally be a learning ability test. When
there's a specified domain in which the system should demonstrate it
competency (like 'chatting' or 'playing Go'), it's likely easier to write
narrow solution. If system is not a RSI AI already, resulted competency
depends on
Please find below commentaries of a naive neat which do not quite
agree with the approaches of the seasoned users on this list. Comments
and pointers are most welcome.
On 10/18/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be interested in everyone's take on the following:
1. What is the
From: J Storrs Hall, PhD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd be interested in everyone's take on the following:
1. What is the single biggest technical gap between current AI and AGI?
(e.g.
we need a way to do X or we just need more development of Y or we have
the
ideas, just need hardware,
Josh,
There actually is some downward information flow, apparently largely for
inhibiting loosing patterns. I forget how learning was done, but in many
hierarchical learning systems downward influences are used to determine
relative importance of lower level patterns in their competition for
Linas Vepstas wrote:
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:25:18AM -0400, Richard Loosemore wrote:
One way this group have tried to pursue their agenda is through an idea
due to Montague and others, in which meanings of terms are related to
something called possible worlds. They imagine infinite numbers
J Storrs Hall, PhD wrote:
I'd be interested in everyone's take on the following:
1. What is the single biggest technical gap between current AI and AGI? (e.g.
we need a way to do X or we just need more development of Y or we have the
ideas, just need hardware, etc)
The gap is a matter of
On 10/18/07, Derek Zahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because neither of these things can be done at present, we can barely even
talk to each other about things like goals, semantics, grounding,
intelligence, and so forth... the process of taking these unknown and
perhaps inherently complex things
That's where I think
narrow Assistive Intelligence could add the sender's assumed context
to a neutral exchange format that the receiver's agent could properly
display in an unencumbered way. The only way I see for that to happen
is that the agents are trained on/around the unique core
On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:40 PM, John G. Rose wrote:
Well after living in Seattle during the dot com craze the hype was
just
absolutely out of control. Yet people did get funded. Was it all
worth it?
Hell yeah but the hangover was pretty bad :) AGI IS hypeable but
people have
to make a
Matt Mahoneys Thu 10/18/2007 9:15 PM post states
MAHONEY There is possibly a 6 order of magnitude gap between the size of
a cognitive model of human memory (10^9 bits) and the number of synapses
in the brain (10^15), and precious little research to resolve this
discrepancy. In fact, these
Re: Richard Loosemore's below copied post
LOOSEMORE Overall, I believe that possible-worlds semantics serves no
purpose in
AI except to justify the idea that statements like It is the case that
all cups are drinking vessels that possess a handle can have something
like a truth value that is
From: Bob Mottram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [agi] More public awarenesss that AGI is coming fast
Despite these arguments there are good reasons for caution. When you
look at the history of AI research one thing tends to stand out - some
people never seem to learn of the
--- J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be interested in everyone's take on the following:
1. What is the single biggest technical gap between current AI and AGI?
In hindsight we can say that we did not have enough hardware. However there
has been no point in time since the
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