On Friday 19 October 2007 10:36:04 pm, Mike Tintner wrote:
The best way to get people to learn is to make them figure things out for
themselves .
Yeah, right. That's why all Americans understand the theory of evolution so
well, and why Britons have such an informed acceptance of
Isn't one of the key concepts behind hierarchical memory (as described in
Jeff Hawkins's work, the Serre paper I have cited, Rodney Books's
subsumption, etc.) exactly that is builds hierarchically upon the
regularities and modularities of whatever word it is learning in, acting
in, and
Has anyone come across (or written) any papers that argue for particular
low-level capabilities that any system capable of human-level intelligence
must possess, and which posits particular tests for assessing whether a
system possesses these prerequisites for intelligence? I'm looking for
What I'd like is a mathematical estimate of why a graphic or image (or any
form of physical map) is a vastly - if not infinitely - more efficient way
to store information than a set of symbols.
Yo troll . . . . a graphic or image is *not* a vastly - if not infinitely -
more efficient way to
[...]
Reigning orthodoxy of thought is *very hard* to dislodge,
even in the face of plentiful evidence to the contrary.
Amen, brother! Rem acu tetigisti! That's why
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/theory5.html
is like the small mammals scurrying beneath dinosaurs.
ATM
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On 10/19/07, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.vetta.org/documents/ui_benelearn.pdf
Unfortunately the test is not computable.
True but how about testing intelligence by comparing the performance
of an agent across several computable environments (randomly-generated
finite
On 10/20/07, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Images are *not* an efficient way to store data. Unless they are
three-dimensional images, they lack data. Normally, they include a lot of
unnecessary or redundant data. It is very, very rare that a computer stores
any but the smallest image
I guess I am mundane. I dont spend a lot of time thinking about a
definition of intelligence. Goertzels is good enough for me.
Instead I think in terms of what I want these machines to do -- which
includes human-level:
-NL understanding and generation (including discourse level)
Regarding testing grounds for AGI. Personally I feel that ordinary computer
games could provide an excellent proving ground for the early stages of AGI,
or maybe even better if they are especially constructed. Computer games are
usually especially designed to encourage the player towards
No you are not mundane. All these things on the list (or most) are very well
to be expected from a generally intelligent system or its derivatives. But I
have this urge, being a software developer, to smash all these things up
into their constituent components, partition commonalties, eliminate
Well I'm neck deep in 55,000 semi-colons of code in this AI app I'm building
and need to get this bastich out the do' and it's probably going to grow to
80,000 before version 1.0. But at some point it needs to grow a brain. Yes I
have my AGI design in mind since late 90's and had been watching
Ah, gotcha...
The recent book Advances in Artificial General Intelligence gives a bunch
more detail than those, actually (though not as much of the conceptual
motivations as The Hidden Pattern) ... but not nearly as much as the
not-yet-released stuff...
-- Ben
On 10/20/07, Edward W. Porter
John,
[A]bstract algebra based engine thats basically an algebraic structure
pump sounds really exotic. Im visualizing a robo-version of my ninth
grade algebra teacher on speed.
If its not giving away the crown jewels, what in the hell is it and how
does it fit into to AGI?
And
On 10/20/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean I wasted my
time and money by buying and reading the Novamente article in Artificial
General Intelligence when I could have bought the new and improved
Advances in Artificial General Intelligence. What a rip off!
Ed
(((
Bummer,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_structure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automata
Start reading..
John
From: Edward W. Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
John,
[A]bstract algebra based engine that's basically an algebraic structure
pump sounds really
Let me take issue with one point (most of the rest I'm uninformed about):
Relational databases aren't particularly compact. What they are is
generalizable...and even there...
The most general compact database is a directed graph. Unfortunately,
writing queries for retrieval requires domain
On 10/21/07, John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_structure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automata
Start reading….
John,
It doesn't really help in understanding how system described by such terms
is related to implementation of AGI. It
FWIW:
A few years (decades?) ago some researchers took PET scans of people who
were imagining a rectangle rotating (in 3-space, as I remember). They
naturally didn't get much detail, but what they got was consistent with
people applying a rotation algorithm within the visual cortex. This
Let me take issue with one point (most of the rest I'm uninformed about):
So this isn't an argument that you REALLY can't use a relational db for
all of your representations, but rather that it's a really bad idea.)
I agree completely. The only point that I was trying to hammer home was
that
Vladimir,
That may very well be the case and something that I'm unaware of. The system
I have in mind basically has I/O that is algebraic structures. Everything
that it deals with is modeled this way. Any sort of system that it analyzes
it converts to a particular structure that represents the
Anyway there's low resolution, possibly unconfirmed, evidence that when we
visualize images, we generate a cell activation pattern within the visual
cortex that has an activation boundary approximating in shape the object
being visualized. (This doesn't say anything about how the information
Hi Edward,
I don't see any problems dealing with either discrete or continuous. In fact
in some ways it'd be nice to eliminate discrete and just operate in
continuous mode. But discrete maps very well with binary computers.
Continuous is just a lot of discrete, the density depending on
So, do you or don't you model uncertainty, contradictory evidence, degree
of similarity, and all those good things?
And what is a CA, or don't i want to know?
Edward W. Porter
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