Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
I don't know if it's low-hanging fruit, but it certainly seems like it would require AGI to have a system that could given some picture or video input, say what some object is. And along those lines, accept verbal instruction as to what it is if it's wrong in what it thinks. I bring that up because I'm trying to get through a book on formal semantics called _What is Meaning?_, and I've been really struck that there clearly is some ability to call things however we call them, but I surely don't see how it's done. It does not seem like it could be a simple thing. And we do call things by different names according to context and need. andi On Sat, August 7, 2010 9:10 pm, Ben Goertzel wrote: Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a compact list to convey to him Thanks! Ben G --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
1. Basic object recognition can be used in camera phones to identify people in front or objects in front. This can be used by blind people to navigate their environment better. 2. AGI expert systems can be used to diagnose diseases. thanks, Deepak On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a compact list to convey to him Thanks! Ben G --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- cheers, Deepak --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
Just one point about Forex, your first entry. This is purely a time series analysis as I understand it. It is narrow AI in fact. With AGI you would expect interviews with the executives of listed companies, just as the big investment houses do. AGI would be data mining of everything about a company as well as time series analysis. - Ian Parker On 8 August 2010 02:35, Abram Demski abramdem...@gmail.com wrote: Ben, -The oft-mentioned stock-market prediction; -data mining, especially for corporate data such as customer behavior, sales prediction, etc; -decision support systems; -personal assistants; -chatbots (think, an ipod that talks to you when you are lonely); -educational uses including human-like artificial teachers, but also including smart presentation-of-material software which decides what practice problem to ask you next, when to give tips, etc; -industrial design (engineering); ... Good luck to him! --Abram On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a compact list to convey to him Thanks! Ben G --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Abram Demski http://lo-tho.blogspot.com/ http://groups.google.com/group/one-logic *agi* | Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ | Modifyhttps://www.listbox.com/member/?;Your Subscription http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Stocks; was Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
Ian, Be courteous-- Ben asked specifically that any arguments about which things are narrow-ai should start a separate topic. Yea, I did not intend to rule out any possible sources of information for the stock market prediction task. Ben has worked on a system which looked on the web for chatter about specific companies, for example. Even if it was just stock data being used, it wouldn't be just time-series analysis. It would at least be planning as well. Really, though, it includes acting with the behavior of potential adversaries in mind (like game-playing). Even if it *were* just time-series analysis, though, I think it would be a decent AGI application. That is because I think AGI technology should be good at time-series analysis! In my opinion, a good AGI learning algorithm should be useful for such tasks. So, yes, many of my examples could be attacked via narrow AI; but I think they would be handled *better* by AGI. That's why they are low-hanging fruit-- they are (hopefully) on the border. --Abram On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Ian Parker ianpark...@gmail.com wrote: Just one point about Forex, your first entry. This is purely a time series analysis as I understand it. It is narrow AI in fact. With AGI you would expect interviews with the executives of listed companies, just as the big investment houses do. AGI would be data mining of everything about a company as well as time series analysis. - Ian Parker On 8 August 2010 02:35, Abram Demski abramdem...@gmail.com wrote: Ben, -The oft-mentioned stock-market prediction; -data mining, especially for corporate data such as customer behavior, sales prediction, etc; -decision support systems; -personal assistants; -chatbots (think, an ipod that talks to you when you are lonely); -educational uses including human-like artificial teachers, but also including smart presentation-of-material software which decides what practice problem to ask you next, when to give tips, etc; -industrial design (engineering); ... Good luck to him! --Abram On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a compact list to convey to him Thanks! Ben G --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Abram Demski http://lo-tho.blogspot.com/ http://groups.google.com/group/one-logic *agi* | Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ | Modifyhttps://www.listbox.com/member/?;Your Subscription http://www.listbox.com *agi* | Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ | Modifyhttps://www.listbox.com/member/?;Your Subscription http://www.listbox.com -- Abram Demski http://lo-tho.blogspot.com/ http://groups.google.com/group/one-logic --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
Ben On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. There is interesting hidden value in some stuff. In the case of Dr. Eliza, it provide a communication pathway to sick people, which is EXACTLY what a research institution needs to support itself. I think you may be on to something here - looking for high-value. Steve --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: Stocks; was Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
OK Ben is then one step ahead of Forex. Point is time series analysis, although it is narrow AI can be extremely powerful. The situation about * sentiment* is different from that of Poker where there is a single adversary bluffing. A time series analysis encompasses the *ensemble* of different opinions. Statistical programs can model this accurately. Ben presumably has techniques for mining the data about companies. The difficulty, as I see it, of translating this into a stock exchange prediction is the weighting of different factors. What in fact you will need to complete the task is something like conjoint analysis. We need, for example, to get an index for innovation. We can see how important this is and how important other factors are by doing something like conjoint analysis. Management will affect long term stock values. Forex is concerned with day to day fluctuations where management performance (except in terms of the manipulation of shares) is not important. Conjoint analysis has been used by managements to indicate how they should be managing. Ben should be able to tell managements how they can optimise the value of their company based on historical data. This is real AGI and there is a close tie up between prediction and how a company should be managed. We know as a matter of historical record, for example, that where you have to reduce a budget deficit you do it with 2 parts reduction in public expenditure and 1 part rise in taxation. The Con/Lib Dem coalition is going for a 3:1 ratio. There will no double be other things that will come out of data-mining. Sorry no disrespect intended. On 8 August 2010 18:09, Abram Demski abramdem...@gmail.com wrote: Ian, Be courteous-- Ben asked specifically that any arguments about which things are narrow-ai should start a separate topic. Yea, I did not intend to rule out any possible sources of information for the stock market prediction task. Ben has worked on a system which looked on the web for chatter about specific companies, for example. Even if it was just stock data being used, it wouldn't be just time-series analysis. It would at least be planning as well. Really, though, it includes acting with the behavior of potential adversaries in mind (like game-playing). Even if it *were* just time-series analysis, though, I think it would be a decent AGI application. That is because I think AGI technology should be good at time-series analysis! In my opinion, a good AGI learning algorithm should be useful for such tasks. So, yes, many of my examples could be attacked via narrow AI; but I think they would be handled *better* by AGI. That's why they are low-hanging fruit-- they are (hopefully) on the border. --Abram On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Ian Parker ianpark...@gmail.com wrote: Just one point about Forex, your first entry. This is purely a time series analysis as I understand it. It is narrow AI in fact. With AGI you would expect interviews with the executives of listed companies, just as the big investment houses do. AGI would be data mining of everything about a company as well as time series analysis. - Ian Parker On 8 August 2010 02:35, Abram Demski abramdem...@gmail.com wrote: Ben, -The oft-mentioned stock-market prediction; -data mining, especially for corporate data such as customer behavior, sales prediction, etc; -decision support systems; -personal assistants; -chatbots (think, an ipod that talks to you when you are lonely); -educational uses including human-like artificial teachers, but also including smart presentation-of-material software which decides what practice problem to ask you next, when to give tips, etc; -industrial design (engineering); ... Good luck to him! --Abram On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the
Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
Wouldn't it depend on the other researcher's area of expertise? -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com From: Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Sat, August 7, 2010 9:10:23 PM Subject: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a compact list to convey to him Thanks! Ben G --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
His request explicitly said he is focusing on voice and vision. I think that is enough specificity... ben On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Matt Mahoney matmaho...@yahoo.com wrote: Wouldn't it depend on the other researcher's area of expertise? -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com -- *From:* Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org *To:* agi agi@v2.listbox.com *Sent:* Sat, August 7, 2010 9:10:23 PM *Subject:* [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a compact list to convey to him Thanks! Ben G --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com *agi* | Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ | Modifyhttps://www.listbox.com/member/?;Your Subscription http://www.listbox.com -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC CTO, Genescient Corp Vice Chairman, Humanity+ Advisor, Singularity University and Singularity Institute External Research Professor, Xiamen University, China b...@goertzel.org I admit that two times two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are to give everything its due, two times two makes five is sometimes a very charming thing too. -- Fyodor Dostoevsky --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
Ben, -The oft-mentioned stock-market prediction; -data mining, especially for corporate data such as customer behavior, sales prediction, etc; -decision support systems; -personal assistants; -chatbots (think, an ipod that talks to you when you are lonely); -educational uses including human-like artificial teachers, but also including smart presentation-of-material software which decides what practice problem to ask you next, when to give tips, etc; -industrial design (engineering); ... Good luck to him! --Abram On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a compact list to convey to him Thanks! Ben G --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Abram Demski http://lo-tho.blogspot.com/ http://groups.google.com/group/one-logic --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
Why don't you kick it off with a suggestion of your own? (I think there are only lower/basic *robotic* AGI apps- and suggest no one will come up with any answers for you. Why don't you disprove me?) -- From: Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:10 AM To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a compact list to convey to him Thanks! Ben G --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
Hey Ben, Faster, cheaper, and more robust 3D modeling for the movie industry. The modeling allows different sources of video content to be extracted from scenes, manipulated and mixed with others. The movie industry has the money and motivation to extract data from images. Making it easier, more robust and cheaper could drive innovation and progress. Why is it AGI-related? Because AGI requires knowledge. Knowledge can be extracted from facts about the world. Facts can be extracted from images in a general way using a limited set of algorithms and concepts. Some say that computer vision is AI-complete and requires knowledge to do. But, I have to disagree. Given sufficient data and good images from multiple cameras or devices, unambiguous data can extract very accurate 3D models. If this was AI-completed and required knowledge, that would not be possible. Dave On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a compact list to convey to him Thanks! Ben G --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
If you can do better voice recognition, that's a significant application in its own right, as well as having uses in other applications e.g. automated first layer for call centers. If you can do better image/video recognition, there are a great many uses for that -- look at all the things people are trying to use image recognition for at the moment. If you can do both at the same time, that's going to have plenty of uses for filtering, classifying and searching video. (Imagine being able to search the Youtube archives like you can search the Web today. I would guess Google would pay a few bob for technology that could do that.) On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a compact list to convey to him Thanks! Ben G --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Help requested: Making a list of (non-robotic) AGI low hanging fruit apps
Ben, Dr. Eliza with the Gracie interface to Dragon NaturallySpeaking makes a really spectacular speech I/O demo - when it works, which is ~50% of the time. The other 50% of the time, it fails to recognize enough to run with, misses something critical, etc., and just sounds stupid, kinda like most doctors I know. Even when it fails, it still babbles on with domain-specific comments. Results are MUCH better when a person with speech I/O and chronic illness experience operates it. Note that Gracie handles interruptions and other violations of conversational structure. Further, it speaks in 3 voices, one for the expert, one for the assistant, and one for the environment and OS. Note that the Microsoft standard speech I/O has a mouth control that moves simultaneously with the sound, that is pasted on an egghead face, so you can watch it speak. Note that the speech recognition works AMAZINGLY well, because the ONLY thing it is interested in are long technical words and relevant phrases, and NOT in the short connecting words that are what usually gets messed up. When you watch what was recognized during casual conversation, what you typically see is gobbledygook between the important stuff, which comes shining through. There are plans to greatly enhance all this, but like everything else on this forum, it suffers from inadequate resources. If someone is looking for something that is demonstrable right now to throw even modest resources into... That program was then adapted to a web server by adding logic to sense when it was on a server, whereupon some additional buttons appear to operate and debug it in a server environment. That adapted program is now up and running, without any of the speech I/O stuff, on http://www.DrEliza.com. I know, it isn't AGI, but neither is anything else these days. Any interest? Steve On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: Hi, A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd throw it out to you guys I'm putting together an AGI pitch for investors and thinking of low hanging fruit applications to argue for. I'm intentionally not involving any mechanics (robots, moving parts, etc.). I'm focusing on voice (i.e. conversational agents) and perhaps vision-based systems. Hellen Keller AGI, if you will :) Along those lines, I'd like any ideas you may have that would fall under this description. I need to substantiate the case for such AGI technology by making an argument for high-value apps. All ideas are welcome. All serious responses will be appreciated!! Also, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread closely focused on direct answers to this question, rather than digressive discussions on Helen Keller, the nature of AGI, the definition of AGI versus narrow AI, the achievability or unachievability of AGI, etc. etc. If you think the question is bad or meaningless or unclear or whatever, that's fine, but please start a new thread with a different subject line to make your point. If the discussion is useful, my intention is to mine the answers into a compact list to convey to him Thanks! Ben G --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
