Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-21 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Some semi-organized responses to points raised in this thread... 1) About spatial maps... It seems to be the case that the brain uses spatial maps a lot, which abstract considerably from the territory they represent Similarly in Novamente we have a spatial map data structure which has an

RE: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-21 Thread Edward W. Porter
efficiencies of mathematics we often don't stop to appreciate. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Benjamin Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:49 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S. Some semi-organized

Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-21 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
On 10/21/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, Good Post I my mind the ability to map each of N things into a model of a space is a very valuable thing. It lets us represent all of the N^2 spatial relationships between those N things based on just N mappings. This is

Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-21 Thread A. T. Murray
http://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg08026.html is where Ben Goertzel wrote stimuli evoking AGI list response. Some semi-organized responses to points raised in this thread... [...] Furthermore, it seems to be the case that the brain stores a lot of detail about some things

Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-21 Thread Vladimir Nesov
Benjamin, It's interesting that you mentioned this right now. My discussion with Edward in parallel thread effectively led to this issue. Basically, it's useful to be able to find regularities between arbitrary pair of concepts (say, A and B) that system supports (as kind of domain-independence).

RE: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-21 Thread Edward W. Porter
the notion that the information in the human brain contained only 10^9 bits was bombastic enough. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Vladimir Nesov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:34 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Human memory and number

Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-21 Thread Mike Tintner
Ben:Furthermore, it seems to be the case that the brain stores a lot of detail about some things that it sees -- and much less about others. For instance, it's famous that when observing a visual scene, a person can generally remember only around 7 visual facts about it. Trained observers can

Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-21 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On 10/21/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vladimir, Yes, if a concept is defined by its associations, and if a significant subset of them somewhat distinguish a concept, it would seem only natural that links between associations of nodes A and node could help the two

RE: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-21 Thread Edward W. Porter
memory and number of synapses.. P.S. On 10/21/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vladimir, Yes, if a concept is defined by its associations, and if a significant subset of them somewhat distinguish a concept, it would seem only natural that links between associations of nodes

Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-21 Thread Vladimir Nesov
Fax (617) 494-1822 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- *From:* Vladimir Nesov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Sunday, October 21, 2007 6:51 PM *To:* agi@v2.listbox.com *Subject:* Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S. On 10/21/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL

Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-20 Thread Mike Dougherty
On 10/20/07, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Images are *not* an efficient way to store data. Unless they are three-dimensional images, they lack data. Normally, they include a lot of unnecessary or redundant data. It is very, very rare that a computer stores any but the smallest image

Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-20 Thread Charles D Hixson
FWIW: A few years (decades?) ago some researchers took PET scans of people who were imagining a rectangle rotating (in 3-space, as I remember). They naturally didn't get much detail, but what they got was consistent with people applying a rotation algorithm within the visual cortex. This

Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.

2007-10-20 Thread Mark Waser
@v2.listbox.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S. FWIW: A few years (decades?) ago some researchers took PET scans of people who were imagining a rectangle rotating (in 3-space, as I remember). They naturally didn't get much