RE: [agi] Re: [META] Re: Economic libertarianism .....
I agree though there may be some room for discussing AGI dealing with politics as a complex system. How an AGI would interact politically with groups of people. And AGI embedded in governmental computer systems. And AGI running for office? Gosh. Let's kill it before it happens :) John From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, but this is *exactly* the kind of political propagandizing that I just complained about. Why don't you form a separate AGI-Politics list to argue about this stuff amongst yourselves, please? Richard Loosemore a wrote: Yes, I think that too. On the practical side, I think that investing in AGI requires significant tax cuts, and we should elect a candidate that would do that (Ron Paul). I think that the government has to have more respect to potential weapons (like AGI), so we should elect a candidate who is strongly pro-gun (Ron Paul). I think that the government has to trust and respect the privacy of its people, so your would not be forced to sell your AGI to the military. No more wiretapping (abolish the Patriot Act) so the government won't hear an AGI being successfully developed. Abolish the Federal Reserve, so no more malinvestment, and more productive investment (including agi investment). Ron Paul will do all of that. JW Johnston wrote: I also agree except ... I think political and economic theories can inform AGI design, particularly in areas of AGI decision making and friendliness/roboethics. I wasn't familiar with the theory of Comparative Advantage until Josh and Eric brought it up. (Josh discusses in conjunction with friendly AIs in his The Age of Virtuous Machines at Kurzweil's site.) I like to see discussions in these contexts. - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=52483815-ad3adc
Re: [agi] Re: [META] Re: Economic libertarianism .....
I agree . . . . there are far too many people spouting off without a clue without allowing them to spout off off-topic as well . . . . - Original Message - From: Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: [agi] Re: [META] Re: Economic libertarianism . Sorry, but this is *exactly* the kind of political propagandizing that I just complained about. Why don't you form a separate AGI-Politics list to argue about this stuff amongst yourselves, please? Richard Loosemore a wrote: Yes, I think that too. On the practical side, I think that investing in AGI requires significant tax cuts, and we should elect a candidate that would do that (Ron Paul). I think that the government has to have more respect to potential weapons (like AGI), so we should elect a candidate who is strongly pro-gun (Ron Paul). I think that the government has to trust and respect the privacy of its people, so your would not be forced to sell your AGI to the military. No more wiretapping (abolish the Patriot Act) so the government won't hear an AGI being successfully developed. Abolish the Federal Reserve, so no more malinvestment, and more productive investment (including agi investment). Ron Paul will do all of that. JW Johnston wrote: I also agree except ... I think political and economic theories can inform AGI design, particularly in areas of AGI decision making and friendliness/roboethics. I wasn't familiar with the theory of Comparative Advantage until Josh and Eric brought it up. (Josh discusses in conjunction with friendly AIs in his The Age of Virtuous Machines at Kurzweil's site.) I like to see discussions in these contexts. -JW -Original Message- From: Bob Mottram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 11, 2007 11:12 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [META] Re: Economic libertarianism [was Re: The first-to-market effect [WAS Re: [agi] Religion-free technical content] On 10/10/2007, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only one, or does anyone else agree that politics/political theorising is not appropriate on the AGI list? Agreed. There are many other forums where political ideology can be debated. - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=52485911-1c7898
RE: [agi] Re: [META] Re: Economic libertarianism .....
I also agree. Hell, if nothing else move it to the Singularity listserv. But I'd rather see the political discussed only in the narrow circumstances where it's directly relevant to building an AGI or (if on the Singularity listserv) directly related to the Singularity. Josh Cowan From: John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: agi@v2.listbox.com To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] Re: [META] Re: Economic libertarianism . Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:03:34 -0600 I agree though there may be some room for discussing AGI dealing with politics as a complex system. How an AGI would interact politically with groups of people. And AGI embedded in governmental computer systems. And AGI running for office? Gosh. Let's kill it before it happens :) John From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, but this is *exactly* the kind of political propagandizing that I just complained about. Why don't you form a separate AGI-Politics list to argue about this stuff amongst yourselves, please? Richard Loosemore a wrote: Yes, I think that too. On the practical side, I think that investing in AGI requires significant tax cuts, and we should elect a candidate that would do that (Ron Paul). I think that the government has to have more respect to potential weapons (like AGI), so we should elect a candidate who is strongly pro-gun (Ron Paul). I think that the government has to trust and respect the privacy of its people, so your would not be forced to sell your AGI to the military. No more wiretapping (abolish the Patriot Act) so the government won't hear an AGI being successfully developed. Abolish the Federal Reserve, so no more malinvestment, and more productive investment (including agi investment). Ron Paul will do all of that. JW Johnston wrote: I also agree except ... I think political and economic theories can inform AGI design, particularly in areas of AGI decision making and friendliness/roboethics. I wasn't familiar with the theory of Comparative Advantage until Josh and Eric brought it up. (Josh discusses in conjunction with friendly AIs in his The Age of Virtuous Machines at Kurzweil's site.) I like to see discussions in these contexts. - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=52491960-797ab0
Re: [agi] Re: [META] Re: Economic libertarianism .....
Yes, IHMO, this discussion is perfectly acceptable and directly relevant to the Singularity listserv, but not this listserv. This discussion is about advocating and promoting AGI through political change, and agrees with its description: Maintained by SIAI Director of Outreach, Bruce Klein, the Singularity list is focused on more general topics about accelerating technological change, advocacy and humanitarian goals. If anybody wants to continue this discussion, then discuss this on the Singularity list. Joshua Cowan wrote: I also agree. Hell, if nothing else move it to the Singularity listserv. But I'd rather see the political discussed only in the narrow circumstances where it's directly relevant to building an AGI or (if on the Singularity listserv) directly related to the Singularity. Josh Cowan From: John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: agi@v2.listbox.com To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: RE: [agi] Re: [META] Re: Economic libertarianism . Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:03:34 -0600 I agree though there may be some room for discussing AGI dealing with politics as a complex system. How an AGI would interact politically with groups of people. And AGI embedded in governmental computer systems. And AGI running for office? Gosh. Let's kill it before it happens :) John From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, but this is *exactly* the kind of political propagandizing that I just complained about. Why don't you form a separate AGI-Politics list to argue about this stuff amongst yourselves, please? Richard Loosemore a wrote: Yes, I think that too. On the practical side, I think that investing in AGI requires significant tax cuts, and we should elect a candidate that would do that (Ron Paul). I think that the government has to have more respect to potential weapons (like AGI), so we should elect a candidate who is strongly pro-gun (Ron Paul). I think that the government has to trust and respect the privacy of its people, so your would not be forced to sell your AGI to the military. No more wiretapping (abolish the Patriot Act) so the government won't hear an AGI being successfully developed. Abolish the Federal Reserve, so no more malinvestment, and more productive investment (including agi investment). Ron Paul will do all of that. JW Johnston wrote: I also agree except ... I think political and economic theories can inform AGI design, particularly in areas of AGI decision making and friendliness/roboethics. I wasn't familiar with the theory of Comparative Advantage until Josh and Eric brought it up. (Josh discusses in conjunction with friendly AIs in his The Age of Virtuous Machines at Kurzweil's site.) I like to see discussions in these contexts. - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=52493531-95162a
