--- Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To try and reduce all this to numbers is - if unintentionally - also very
offensive, far far more so than any remark of mine, and does indeed involve
v. false, limited ideas of emotions (and limited in terms of AGI).
Apology accepted. I did not
Matt: But perhaps you
find the idea of reducing the human mind to computation offensive?
Yes, I do. There are the human implications I started to point out. Far more
important here are the mechanistic ones - it is indeed a massive reduction
with respect to emotions of a complex systemic
Matt: I don't believe that the ability to feel pleasure and pain depends on
consciousness. That is just a circular definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
Richard:It is not circular. Consciousness and pleasure/pain are both
subjective
issues. They can resolved
--- Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matt: I don't believe that the ability to feel pleasure and pain depends on
consciousness. That is just a circular definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
Richard:It is not circular. Consciousness and pleasure/pain are
I don't think you've answered my point - which perhaps wasn't put well
enough.
All you propose, as far as I can see, is to apply *values* to behaviour - to
apply positive and negative figures to behaviours considered beneficial or
detrimental, and thus affect the system's further behaviour -
Mike
In case you're curious I wrote down my theory of
emotions here
http://www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/2004/Emotions.htm
(an early version of text that later became a chapter in The
Hidden Pattern)
Among the conclusions my theory of emotions leads to are, as stated there:
*
* AI systems
On Dec 12, 2007 9:27 PM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It also shows a very limited understanding of emotions.
What do you hope to convey by making comments like this?
I often wonder how arrogance and belittling others for their opinions
has ever made a positive contribution to a
Let me extend half an apology if I overstepped. I say half because my
criticism was not really so much personal, as against a whole approach - of
many AI-ers generally - which really is extraordinarily callow. There is a
simply vast amount of human misery and suffering, which centres on
