Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-12 Thread wannabe
PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 5:31:16 PM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes Steve, This may be a naive question, but have you considered using Skype as a P2P mechanism? The Skype User Agent (UA) software has been downloaded 100's of millions

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes, try2

2008-05-10 Thread rooftop8000
--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes, try2To: agi@v2.listbox.comDate: Friday, May 9, 2008, 11:04 PMHi,The Texai system, as I envision its deployment, will have the following characteristics:a lot

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes, try2

2008-05-10 Thread Stephen Reed
- Original Message From: rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:35:49 PM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes, try2 Do you think a hierarchy structure could be too restrictive? No, I have not yet found a use case that would

[agi] organising parallel processes, try2

2008-05-09 Thread rooftop8000
I'll try to explain it more.. Suppose you have a lot of processes, all containing some production rule(s). They communicate with messages. They all should get cpu time somehow. Some processes just do low-level responses, some monitor other processes, etc. Some are involved in looking at the

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes, try2

2008-05-09 Thread Stephen Reed
Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Friday, May 9, 2008 3:24:14 PM Subject: [agi] organising parallel processes

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-06 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 5/4/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As perhaps you know, I want to organize Texai as a vast multitude of agents situated in a hierarchical control system, grouped as possibly redundant, load-sharing, agents within an agency sharing a specific mission. I have given some thought to

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-06 Thread Stephen Reed
Message From: YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2008 10:36:16 AM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes On 5/4/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As perhaps you know, I want to organize Texai as a vast multitude of agents

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-06 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/4/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As perhaps you know, I want to organize Texai as a vast multitude of agents situated in a hierarchical control system, grouped as possibly redundant, load-sharing, agents within an agency

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-06 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 5/6/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the opposite of what you say I hope that my following explanation will help converge our thinking. Let me first emphasize that I plan a vast multitude of specialized agencies, in which each agency has a particular

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-06 Thread wannabe
Stephen Reed wrote: At the time that the Texai bootstrap English dialog system is available, I'll begin fleshing out the hundreds of agencies for which I hope to recruit human mentors. Each agency I establish will have paragraphs of English text to describe its mission, including

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-06 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://paulspontifications.blogspot.com/2008/05/under-appreciated-fact-we-dont-know-how.html Computer programming is an art, as Knuth observed. I teach classes in C++, Java, and x86 assember. I can show my students some simple drawings and show them how to hold a

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-06 Thread Bob Mottram
The blog entry is amusing. I started writing software at quite young age (about 10), and I always assumed that it was an art rather like writing a novel or a musical composition. So when I grew older and became employed to write programs I was shocked in my early career to find that some people

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-06 Thread Stephen Reed
PM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes Stephen Reed wrote: At the time that the Texai bootstrap English dialog system is available, I'll begin fleshing out the hundreds of agencies for which I hope to recruit human mentors. Each agency I establish will have paragraphs

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-05 Thread Stephen Reed
, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Mike Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 12:26:43 AM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: be like Skype, the popular

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-05 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt (or anyone else), have you gotten as far as thinking about NAT hole punching or some other solution for peer-to-peer? Yes, but NAT hole punching is not really a solution. I have a home router/firewall/NAT that by default blocks all incoming

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-05 Thread Stephen Reed
Message From: Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 1:43:20 PM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes --- Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt (or anyone else), have you gotten as far as thinking about NAT hole punching or some other

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-05 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Matt, I am glad you are looking deeply into the issue of how to deploy vastly distributed AGI. I have some follow-up questions regarding your informative comments. ...but NAT hole punching is not really a solution. I have a home

[agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread rooftop8000
hi, I have a lot of parallel processes that are in control of their own activation (they can decide which processes are activated and for how long). I need some kind of organisation (a simple example would be a hierarchy of processes that only activate downwards). I'm looking for examples of

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread Jean-paul Van Belle
I assume that you have checked out Hofstadters architecture mixing random relevance (Fluid Analogies Research Group)? Jean-Paul Van Belle Associate Professor Head: Postgraduate Section, Department of Information Systems Research Associate: Centre for IT and National Development in Africa

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:09 AM, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I have a lot of parallel processes that are in control of their own activation (they can decide which processes are activated and for how long). I need some kind of organisation (a simple example would be a hierarchy

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread a
rooftop8000 wrote: hi, I have a lot of parallel processes that are in control of their own activation (they can decide which processes are activated and for how long). I need some kind of organisation (a simple example would be a hierarchy of processes that only activate downwards). I'm

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread a
Vladimir Nesov wrote: On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:09 AM, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I have a lot of parallel processes that are in control of their own activation (they can decide which processes are activated and for how long). I need some kind of organisation (a simple

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:16 PM, a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what he is referring to is top-down cognitive control processes that can observe and select competitive bottom-up stimuli. But it's too general to say something and expect to answer the question. Parallel processes that

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I have a lot of parallel processes that are in control of their own activation (they can decide which processes are activated and for how long). I need some kind of organisation (a simple example would be a hierarchy of processes that only

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread Stephen Reed
, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 12:47:45 PM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes --- rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I have a lot of parallel processes

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt (or anyone else), have you gotten as far as thinking about NAT hole punching or some other solution for peer-to-peer? NAT hole punching has no solution because it's not a problem you can fix. If I administrate the

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread Stephen Reed
, May 4, 2008 9:41:16 PM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt (or anyone else), have you gotten as far as thinking about NAT hole punching or some other solution for peer-to-peer? NAT hole punching has

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: be like Skype, the popular non-scum Internet phone service that also performs NAT hole punching (a.k.a. NAT traversal). I was not aware Skype worked like that- thanks for the info. If you are using a similar form of