Re: [agi] AI Buzz in Mainstream
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, JW Johnston wrote: Bob Cowell's At Random column in this month's IEEE Computer magazine was about his renewed excitement in AI given Jeff Hawkins' book and work: http://www.computer.org/computer/homepage/0105/random/index.htm Then today, found a similar article in Computer World: http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,99691,00. html?source=NLT_PMnid=99691. Talks about Hawkins' work as well as that of Robert Hecht-Nileson and Stan Franklin. The AI winter ending? I'm always glad to see public enthusiasm for Ai, Neuroscience, et al. But unfortunately, the age-old problems of AI continue to haunt us. The homonculus is alive and well, even after all these years, and warnings. Every time some amateur AI philosopher, such as this Jeff Hawkins, throws his hat into the ring, I'm reminded of this pernicious problem. I haven't read the book, but from this fairly substantial review article, I get the sense that his model of the brain consists of a pattern matcher under the control of intention. There's the homonculous all over again. And Bob, the column author, loves it. I guess I can't blame Bob, the homonculous has been so pernicious precisely because we tend to anthropomorphosize complex processes. But the author of the book, if accurately portrayed by this review, deserves a ruler across the fingers for falling into the swamp of the homonculus, despite plenty of posted warnings. -Brad --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] AI Buzz in Mainstream
Brad, I read Hawkins' book, and while I don't agree with his ideas about AI, I don't think he falls prey to any simple homunculus fallacy.. Some of my thoughts on his book are at: http://www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/2004/ProbabilisticVisionProcessing.htm (BTW, my site seems to be down today but it will be back up shortly) -- Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brad Wyble Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:11 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] Listbox. Com' Cc: J W Johnston Subject: Re: [agi] AI Buzz in Mainstream On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, JW Johnston wrote: Bob Cowell's At Random column in this month's IEEE Computer magazine was about his renewed excitement in AI given Jeff Hawkins' book and work: http://www.computer.org/computer/homepage/0105/random/index.htm Then today, found a similar article in Computer World: http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801 ,99691,00. html?source=NLT_PMnid=99691. Talks about Hawkins' work as well as that of Robert Hecht-Nileson and Stan Franklin. The AI winter ending? I'm always glad to see public enthusiasm for Ai, Neuroscience, et al. But unfortunately, the age-old problems of AI continue to haunt us. The homonculus is alive and well, even after all these years, and warnings. Every time some amateur AI philosopher, such as this Jeff Hawkins, throws his hat into the ring, I'm reminded of this pernicious problem. I haven't read the book, but from this fairly substantial review article, I get the sense that his model of the brain consists of a pattern matcher under the control of intention. There's the homonculous all over again. And Bob, the column author, loves it. I guess I can't blame Bob, the homonculous has been so pernicious precisely because we tend to anthropomorphosize complex processes. But the author of the book, if accurately portrayed by this review, deserves a ruler across the fingers for falling into the swamp of the homonculus, despite plenty of posted warnings. -Brad --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] AI Buzz in Mainstream
Brad, I read Hawkins' book, and while I don't agree with his ideas about AI, I don't think he falls prey to any simple homunculus fallacy.. Some of my thoughts on his book are at: http://www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/2004/ProbabilisticVisionProcessing.htm (BTW, my site seems to be down today but it will be back up shortly) Well consider my grumblings retracted then. It's certainly gratifying to see the enthusiasm generated on his http://onintelligence.org site. -Brad --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] AI Buzz in Mainstream
Two corrections: 1. Computer magazine column was from January (finally made it online) 2. Better link for the CW article: http://www.computerworld.com/newsletter/0,4902,99691,00.html?nlid=PM (and fixed below) JW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JW Johnston Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:18 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] Listbox. Com' Cc: J W Johnston Subject: [agi] AI Buzz in Mainstream Bob Cowell's At Random column in this month's IEEE Computer magazine was about his renewed excitement in AI given Jeff Hawkins' book and work: http://www.computer.org/computer/homepage/0105/random/index.htm Then today, found a similar article in Computer World: http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,99691,00. html?source=NLT_PMnid=99691. Talks about Hawkins' work as well as that of Robert Hecht-Nileson and Stan Franklin. The AI winter ending? J. W. Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
