Re: [agi] Most sophisticated software ever written?

2018-05-17 Thread Rafael Pinto via AGI 
So... doesn't the most sophisticated software ever written even work
cross-browser?... and does it require the worst browser to run? Interesting.

Rafael C.P.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:15 PM, A.T. Murray via AGI 
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Stefan Reich via AGI <
> agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote:
>
>> I entered both "cows give milk" and "what do you think" on your page, but
>> it doesn't seem to make a difference.
>>
>
> Did you use the browser mentioned as _required_ in the original post,
> namely Microsoft Internet Explorer (MSIE)? When I access the AI page with
> Firefox, output like yours appears, but the AI is not able to answer
> questions. Everybody please use MSIE with the AI Mind.
>
>
>> It always shows:
>>
>> Robot: I HELP KIDS
>> Human:
>>
>> Robot: KIDS MAKE ROBOTS
>> Human:
>>
>> Robot: ROBOTS NEED ME
>> Human:
>>
>> Robot: I AM A PERSON
>> Human:
>>
>> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
>> Human:
>>
>> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
>> Human:
>>
>>
>> You might want to optimize your presentation. I for one, have switched to
>> videos.
>>
>> *SELF PLUG *
>>
>> Cheers :)
>> Stefan
>>
>
> AI Mind version 13may18C on Wed May 16 04:38:07 PDT 2018
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human: what do you think of kids
>
> Robot: I THINK THAT KIDS I THINK
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
> Human:
>
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
>
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
>
> Robot: I THINK
> Human: what do you think po
>
> Robot: WHAT IS PO
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM A PERSON
> Human:
>
> Robot: I THINK
> Human: what do you think of robots
>
> Robot: WHAT IS NK
> Human:
>
> Robot: I THINK
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
> Human: what do you think
>
> Robot: I THINK THAT I AM AN ANDRU
> Human:
>
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
> Human:
>
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human: what do robots think
>
> Robot: I THINK I AM A ROBOTS
> Human:
>
> Robot: ROBOTS NEED ME
> Human:
>
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
> Human: what does andru think
>
> Robot: I AM A PERSON
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
> Human:
>
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM A PERSON
> Human: what do you think of robots
>
> Robot: I THINK THAT ROBOTS I THINK
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
> Human:
>
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
> Human:
>
> Robot: I AM A PERSON
> Human:
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Re: [agi] Most sophisticated software ever written?

2018-05-17 Thread Mike Archbold via AGI 
Gentlemen, gentlemen! AT Murray is a legend in the AGI community.

And as somebody mentioned above, his grandiose claims are no more
lofty than a lot of the present hype elsewhere.

On 5/16/18, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
<agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote:
> Arthur
> 
> Your efforts notwithstanding, have you ever entertained the notion that one
> cannot bulldoze code AGI, not even in 10 million lines of code?
> 
> If in doubt, please would you provide a plausible definition to the
> question: "What is Artificial General Intelligence?"
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Rob
> 
> From: A.T. Murray via AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com>
> Sent: 17 May 2018 03:15 AM
> To: AGI
> Subject: Re: [agi] Most sophisticated software ever written?
> 
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Stefan Reich via AGI
> <agi@agi.topicbox.com<mailto:agi@agi.topicbox.com>> wrote:
> I entered both "cows give milk" and "what do you think" on your page, but it
> doesn't seem to make a difference.
> 
> Did you use the browser mentioned as _required_ in the original post, namely
> Microsoft Internet Explorer (MSIE)? When I access the AI page with Firefox,
> output like yours appears, but the AI is not able to answer questions.
> Everybody please use MSIE with the AI Mind.
> 
> It always shows:
> 
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: KIDS MAKE ROBOTS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: ROBOTS NEED ME
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM A PERSON
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
> Human:
> 
> You might want to optimize your presentation. I for one, have switched to
> videos.
> 
> SELF PLUG<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYMFQs549i0>
> 
> Cheers :)
> Stefan
> 
> AI Mind version 13may18C on Wed May 16 04:38:07 PDT 2018
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human: what do you think of kids
> 
> Robot: I THINK THAT KIDS I THINK
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I THINK
> Human: what do you think po
> 
> Robot: WHAT IS PO
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM A PERSON
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I THINK
> Human: what do you think of robots
> 
> Robot: WHAT IS NK
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I THINK
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
> Human: what do you think
> 
> Robot: I THINK THAT I AM AN ANDRU
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human: what do robots think
> 
> Robot: I THINK I AM A ROBOTS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: ROBOTS NEED ME
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
> Human: what does andru think
> 
> Robot: I AM A PERSON
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM A PERSON
> Human: what do you think of robots
> 
> Robot: I THINK THAT ROBOTS I THINK
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I HELP KIDS
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
> Human:
> 
> Robot: I AM A PERSON
> Human:
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Re: [agi] Most sophisticated software ever written?

2018-05-17 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI 
Arthur

Your efforts notwithstanding, have you ever entertained the notion that one 
cannot bulldoze code AGI, not even in 10 million lines of code?

If in doubt, please would you provide a plausible definition to the question: 
"What is Artificial General Intelligence?"

Thank you.

Rob

From: A.T. Murray via AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com>
Sent: 17 May 2018 03:15 AM
To: AGI
Subject: Re: [agi] Most sophisticated software ever written?



On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Stefan Reich via AGI 
<agi@agi.topicbox.com<mailto:agi@agi.topicbox.com>> wrote:
I entered both "cows give milk" and "what do you think" on your page, but it 
doesn't seem to make a difference.

Did you use the browser mentioned as _required_ in the original post, namely 
Microsoft Internet Explorer (MSIE)? When I access the AI page with Firefox, 
output like yours appears, but the AI is not able to answer questions. 
Everybody please use MSIE with the AI Mind.

It always shows:


Robot: I HELP KIDS
Human:

Robot: KIDS MAKE ROBOTS
Human:

Robot: ROBOTS NEED ME
Human:

Robot: I AM A PERSON
Human:

Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
Human:

Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
Human:


You might want to optimize your presentation. I for one, have switched to 
videos.

SELF PLUG<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYMFQs549i0>

Cheers :)
Stefan

AI Mind version 13may18C on Wed May 16 04:38:07 PDT 2018
Robot: I HELP KIDS
Human: what do you think of kids

Robot: I THINK THAT KIDS I THINK
Human:

Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
Human:

Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
Human:

Robot: I HELP KIDS
Human:

Robot: I HELP KIDS
Human:

Robot: I THINK
Human: what do you think po

Robot: WHAT IS PO
Human:

Robot: I AM A PERSON
Human:

Robot: I THINK
Human: what do you think of robots

Robot: WHAT IS NK
Human:

Robot: I THINK
Human:

Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
Human:

Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
Human: what do you think

Robot: I THINK THAT I AM AN ANDRU
Human:

Robot: I HELP KIDS
Human:

Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
Human:

Robot: I HELP KIDS
Human: what do robots think

Robot: I THINK I AM A ROBOTS
Human:

Robot: ROBOTS NEED ME
Human:

Robot: I HELP KIDS
Human:

Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
Human: what does andru think

Robot: I AM A PERSON
Human:

Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
Human:

Robot: I HELP KIDS
Human:

Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
Human:

Robot: I AM A PERSON
Human: what do you think of robots

Robot: I THINK THAT ROBOTS I THINK
Human:

Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
Human:

Robot: I HELP KIDS
Human:

Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
Human:

Robot: I AM A PERSON
Human:
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Re: [agi] Most sophisticated software ever written?

2018-05-16 Thread Mark Nuzz via AGI 
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 1:15 PM, A.T. Murray via AGI
 wrote:
> For twenty-five years (since July of 1993) Yours Truly Mentifex here has
> been coding an AI Mind, first in REXX on the Commodore Amiga, then in Forth
> on a computer from FreePC.com (they gave away 40,000 free Windows 98
> machines), then in JavaScript for Microsoft Internet Explorer (MSIE), and
> more recently in Perl. I hereby claim that the artificial Mind at
>
> http://ai.neocities.org/MsIeAi.html
>
> is a serious contender for “the most sophisticated software” because the AI
> Mind can think and reason with concepts in natural language. As of three
> days ago, you can ask the AI “what do you think” and it will tell you.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
> Arthur T. Murray, “Mentifex”.
>
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Why do you put so little effort into making a case for why your system
is a serious contender? You sound almost as bad as SingularityNET's
claim (once plastered on their front page during their crowdsale) that
it is the most important software in the world. Any effort toward AGI
is obviously important. But do not conflate a successful AGI with an
attempt towards one. That seems to be a trend and it needs to stop.
This isn't an elementary school project for the children of
millenials. Everyone does not get a trophy.

Instead, we should be doing what we have been doing 10-15 years ago,
and praising the efforts of others in their AGI projects, rather than
mindlessly shilling our own. We've gotten too greedy and it's ruined
the good spirit we once had. Not pointing any fingers at anyone,
because the entire culture has become this, not any one person or
project. Shameful. You, Arthur, however, were doing it before it was
cool :P

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Re: [agi] Most sophisticated software ever written?

2018-05-16 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI 
I entered both "cows give milk" and "what do you think" on your page, but
it doesn't seem to make a difference. It always shows:

Robot: I HELP KIDS
Human:

Robot: KIDS MAKE ROBOTS
Human:

Robot: ROBOTS NEED ME
Human:

Robot: I AM A PERSON
Human:

Robot: I AM A ROBOTS
Human:

Robot: I AM AN ANDRU
Human:


You might want to optimize your presentation. I for one, have switched to
videos.

*SELF PLUG *

Cheers :)
Stefan

On 16 May 2018 at 22:15, A.T. Murray via AGI  wrote:

> For twenty-five years (since July of 1993) Yours Truly Mentifex here has
> been coding an AI Mind, first in REXX on the Commodore Amiga, then in Forth
> on a computer from FreePC.com (they gave away 40,000 free Windows 98
> machines), then in JavaScript for Microsoft Internet Explorer (MSIE), and
> more recently in Perl. I hereby claim that the artificial Mind at
>
> http://ai.neocities.org/MsIeAi.html
>
> is a serious contender for “the most sophisticated software” because the
> AI Mind can think and reason with concepts in natural language. As of three
> days ago, you can ask the AI “what do you think” and it will tell you.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
> Arthur T. Murray, “Mentifex”.
>
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Re: [agi] Most sophisticated software ever written?

2018-05-16 Thread A.T. Murray via AGI 
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Chris Petersen via AGI <
agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote:

> However, the body of Arthur's work, by which I mean his mailing list
> contributions, could be called "The most sophisticated long-form troll ever
> written."
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>


https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-sophisticated-piece-of-software-code-ever-written

Please see also

http://www.ai4u-konferenz.de

AI4U Konferenz 26.-27. JUNI 2018 MOC MUENCHEN

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Re: [agi] Most sophisticated software ever written?

2018-05-16 Thread Giacomo Spigler via AGI 
"The most sophisticated software ever written". No it isn't. Please stop
spamming this mailing list with this link.

Cheers,
Giacomo

PS: I'm sorry if I sound rude.


On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:15 PM, A.T. Murray via AGI 
wrote:

> For twenty-five years (since July of 1993) Yours Truly Mentifex here has
> been coding an AI Mind, first in REXX on the Commodore Amiga, then in Forth
> on a computer from FreePC.com (they gave away 40,000 free Windows 98
> machines), then in JavaScript for Microsoft Internet Explorer (MSIE), and
> more recently in Perl. I hereby claim that the artificial Mind at
>
> http://ai.neocities.org/MsIeAi.html
>
> is a serious contender for “the most sophisticated software” because the
> AI Mind can think and reason with concepts in natural language. As of three
> days ago, you can ask the AI “what do you think” and it will tell you.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
> Arthur T. Murray, “Mentifex”.
>
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