Hey Ben,
It seems that recent college IT grads here hope to earn about 3000rmb
(375usd) a month, but often must settle for less. This is based on my
rather limited knowledge. Hopefully I will know more in the near future,
since I have been getting the word out and have a local headhunter
Gary Miller wrote:
I also agree that the AGI approach of modeling and creating a self
learning system is a valid bottom up approach to AGI. But it is much
harder for me with my limited mathematical and conceptual knowledge of
the research to grasp how and when these systems will be able
Ben,
I just read the Bio. You gave alot more play
to his ideas than the show did. You probably know this, but Starlab has
folded and I think he was off to the states...
The show seemed to indicate that nothing of note
ever came out of the project. In fact, it appeared to not generate one
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On Dec. 9 Kevin
said:
"It seems to me that building a strictly "black
box" AGI that only uses text or graphical input\output can have tremendous
implications for our society, even without arms and eyes and ears, etc.
Almost anything can be designed or contemplated within a
I was
at Starlab one week after it folded. Hugo was the only one left
there -- he was living in an apartment in the building. It was a huge,
beautiful, ancient, building, formerly the Czech Embassy to Brussels I
saw the CAM-Brain machine (CBM) there, disabled by Korkin (the maker) due
maitri wrote:
The second guy was from either England or the states, not sure. He was
working out of his garage with his wife. He was trying to develop robot
AI including vision, speech, hearing and movement.
This one's a bit more difficult, Steve Grand perhaps?
Gary Miller wrote:
On Dec. 9 Kevin said:
It seems to me that building a strictly black box AGI that only uses
text or graphical input\output can have tremendous implications for our
society, even without arms and eyes and ears, etc. Almost anything can
be designed or contemplated within a
that's him...
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Subject: Re: [agi] AI on TV
maitri wrote:
The second guy was from either England or the states, not sure. He was
working out of his garage with
I don't want to underestimate the value of embodiment for an AI system,
especially for the development of consciousness. But this is just my
opinion...
As far as a very useful AGI, I don't see the necessity of a body or sensory
inputs beyond textual input. Almost any form can be represented as
I have a paper
(http://www.cogsci.indiana.edu/farg/peiwang/PUBLICATION/#semantics) on this
topic, which is mostly in agreement with what Kevin said.
For an intelligent system, it is important for its concepts and beliefs to
be grounded on the system's experience, but such experience can be
Ben Goertzel wrote:
This is not a matter of principle, it's a matter of pragmatics I
think that a perceptual-motor domain in which a variety of cognitively
simple patterns are simply expressed, will make world-grounded early
language learning much easier...
If anyone has the software
I think my position is similar to Ben's; it's not really what you
ground things in, but rather that you don't expose your limited
little computer brain to an environment that is too complex --
at least not to start with. Language, even reasonably simple
context free languages, could well be too
On this issue, we can distinguish 4 approaches:
(1) let symbols get their meaning through interpretation (provided in
another language) --- this is the approach used in traditional symbolic AI.
(2) let symbols get their meaning by grounding on textual experience ---
this is what I and Kevin
Tony's 2D training world is a lot simpler than A2I2's, for now. [He is
quite free to share details with you or this list, though.]
For one thing, his initial shape-world is perception only, involving no
action! The simple stuff that we're going to test with it right now, does
not involve
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