Re: [agi] Advocacy Is no Excuse for Consciousness

2008-10-17 Thread John LaMuth
Colin Solipsism has always been formally and logically intractable. Please stand and deliver on your own falacious claims We can not even be sure how memory works in the brain. Your claims are patently perpetual-motion(esque) John L www.emotionchip.net - Original Message -

Re: [agi] Advocacy Is no Excuse for Consciousness

2008-10-17 Thread Eric Burton
Good to see someone is still up. Can you link your paper again? I can't find the URL. Eric B --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription:

Re: [agi] First issue of H+ magazine ... http://hplusmagazine.com/

2008-10-17 Thread Bob Mottram
2008/10/17 Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Including a brief article by me about open-source robotics, that I wrote back in April... Open source robotics may eventually occur, but I think it will require some common and relatively affordable platforms. It becomes much easier to usefully

RE: [agi] Re: Defining AGI

2008-10-17 Thread John G. Rose
From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As Ben has pointed out language understanding is useful to teach AGI. But if we use the domain of mathematics we can teach AGI by formal expressions more easily and we understand these expressions as well. - Matthias That is not clear --

[agi] NEWS: Scientist develops programme to understand alien languages

2008-10-17 Thread Pei Wang
... even an alien language far removed from any on Earth is likely to have recognisable patterns that could help reveal how intelligent the life forms are. the news: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILSgrid=xml=/earth/2008/10/15/scialien115.xml the researcher:

Re: [agi] Re: Defining AGI

2008-10-17 Thread Ben Goertzel
The best way to get a sense of the state of the art in automated theorem proving would be to download and play with the systems http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabelle_(theorem_prover) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prover9 , which are state-of-the-art automated theorem provers. Isabelle is

AW: [agi] NEWS: Scientist develops programme to understand alien languages

2008-10-17 Thread Dr. Matthias Heger
But even understanding an alien language would not necessarily imply to understand how this intelligence work ;-) Furthermore, understanding the language of an intelligent species is not necessary and is also not sufficient to have the same intelligence. In fact language is only a protocol to

RE: [agi] Re: Defining AGI

2008-10-17 Thread wannabe
On Lakoff and Nunez, Where Mathematics Comes From. Dittos. Great book. I have had to buy multiple copies because I keep loaning it and not getting it back. Lakoff's emobdiment theme is a primary concept for me. andi --- agi Archives:

[agi] Reasoning by analogy recommendations

2008-10-17 Thread Harry Chesley
I find myself needing to more thoroughly understand reasoning by analogy. (I've read/thought about it to a degree, but would like more.) Anyone have any recommendation for books and/or papers on the subject? Thanks. --- agi Archives:

Re: [agi] Reasoning by analogy recommendations

2008-10-17 Thread Pei Wang
Don't know what you've read, so have to start from the general references: http://nars.wang.googlepages.com/wang.AGI-Curriculum.html , C.11: Analogy and metaphor http://cognet.mit.edu/library/books/view?isbn=0262571390 , The Analogical Mind, Gentner, Holyoak, Kokinov (eds)

Re: [agi] Reasoning by analogy recommendations

2008-10-17 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Harry Chesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find myself needing to more thoroughly understand reasoning by analogy. (I've read/thought about it to a degree, but would like more.) Anyone have any recommendation for books and/or papers on the subject? The classics:

Re: [agi] First issue of H+ magazine ... http://hplusmagazine.com/

2008-10-17 Thread Bryan Bishop
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Bob Mottram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Open source robotics may eventually occur, but I think it will require some common and relatively affordable platforms. It becomes much easier to usefully share code when you're dealing with the same hardware (or at least

RE: [agi] NEWS: Scientist develops programme to understand alien languages

2008-10-17 Thread John G. Rose
From: Pei Wang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... even an alien language far removed from any on Earth is likely to have recognisable patterns that could help reveal how intelligent the life forms are. This is true unless the alien life form existed in mostly order and communicated via the

Re: [agi] First issue of H+ magazine ... http://hplusmagazine.com/

2008-10-17 Thread Bob Mottram
2008/10/17 Bryan Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bob, it's already happening behind your back, and I'm not talking about iCub. While platform standardization is important, there's other things that you can do like write cross-platform compatible applications and compilers, or working on rounding up

Re: [agi] Twice as smart (was Re: RSI without input...) v2.1))

2008-10-17 Thread William Pearson
2008/10/17 Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The difficulty of rigorously defining practical intelligence doesn't tell you ANYTHING about the possibility of RSI ... it just tells you something about the possibility of rigorously proving useful theorems about RSI ... More importantly, you

Re: [agi] Twice as smart (was Re: RSI without input...) v2.1))

2008-10-17 Thread Ben Goertzel
1) There definitely IS such a thing as a better algorithm for intelligence in general. For instance, compare AIXI with an algorithm called AIXI_frog, that works exactly like AIXI, but inbetween each two of AIXI's computational operations, it internally produces and then deletes the word frog one

AW: [agi] Re: Defining AGI

2008-10-17 Thread Dr. Matthias Heger
There is a difference *why* we use language and *how language (communication) works*. The ultimate goal why human used language is to enhance the probability to survive. If someone has found something to eat he could tell it his group. Further, language is useful for knowledge transfer from one

RE: [agi] First issue of H+ magazine ... http://hplusmagazine.com/

2008-10-17 Thread John G. Rose
This is cool it's kind of like a combo of Omni, a desktop publishing fanzine with 3DSMax cover page, and randomly gathered techno tidbits all encapsulated in a secure PDF. The skin phone is neat and the super imposition eye contact lens by U-Dub has value. I wonder where they got that idea from,