Re: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-30 Thread Damien Sullivan
Gary Miller wrote: That being said other than Cyc I am at a loss to name any serious AI efforts which are over a few years in duration and have more that 5 man years worth of effort (not counting promotional and fundraising). No offense, but I suspect you need to read more of the

Re: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-30 Thread Pei Wang
:57 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Early Apps. Gary Miller wrote: That being said other than Cyc I am at a loss to name any serious AI efforts which are over a few years in duration and have more that 5 man years worth of effort (not counting promotional and fundraising). No offense, but I

Re: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-30 Thread Pei Wang
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Early Apps. Gary Miller wrote: That being said other than Cyc I am at a loss to name any serious AI efforts which are over a few years in duration and have more that 5 man years worth of effort

RE: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-29 Thread Ben Goertzel
Gary Miller wrote: I agree that as humans we bring a lot of general knowledge with us when we learn a new domain. That is why I started off with the general conversational domain and am now branching into science, philosophy, mathematics and history. And of course the AI can not make all

RE: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-28 Thread Ben Goertzel
Gary Miller wrote: *** I guess I'm still having trouble with the concept of grounding. If I teach/encode a bot with 99% of the knowledge about hydrogen using facts and information available in books and on the web. It is now an idiot savant in that it knows all about hydrogen and nothing about

RE: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-28 Thread Gary Miller
Ben Goertzal wrote: I don't think that a pragmatically-achievable amount of formally-encoded knowledge is going to be enough to allow a computer system to think deeply and creatively about any domain -- even a technical domain about science. What's missing, among other things, is the intricate

Re: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-27 Thread Shane Legg
Alan Grimes wrote: According to my rule of thumb, If it has a natural language database it is wrong, I more or less agree... Currently I'm trying to learn Italian before I leave New Zealand to start my PhD. After a few months working through books on Italian grammar and trying to learn lots

RE: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-27 Thread Gary Miller
understanding many of these ungrammatical utterances. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [agi] Early Apps. On 26 Dec 2002 at 10:32, Gary Miller wrote

RE: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-26 Thread Gary Miller
On Dec. 26 Alan Grimes said: According to my rule of thumb, If it has a natural language database it is wrong, Alan I can see based on the current generation of bot technology why one would feel this way. I can also see people having the view that biological systems learn from scratch so

Re: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-26 Thread Alan Grimes
Neither of these arguments are particularly persuasive though based on what I've developed to date. !+ d03$n'7 vv0rk b3cuz $uch 4 $!st3m c4n'+ r34d m! 31337 +3x+. I am involved in such a project and certainly don't wish to to be wasting my time! I would be out of place to say anything

Re: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-26 Thread Damien Sullivan
On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 01:44:25PM -0800, Alan Grimes wrote: A human level intelligence requires arbitrary acess to visual/phonetic/other faculties in order to be intelligent. I'm sure all those blind and deaf people appreciate being considered unintelligent. -xx- Damien X-) --- To

Re: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-26 Thread Alan Grimes
Damien Sullivan wrote: A human level intelligence requires arbitrary acess to visual/phonetic/other faculties in order to be intelligent. I'm sure all those blind and deaf people appreciate being considered unintelligent. It depends. If their brains are intact they are no less intelligent

Re: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-26 Thread Alan Grimes
Gary Miller wrote: AG A human level intelligence requires arbitrary access to AG visual/phonetic/other faculties in order to be intelligent. By this definition of intelligence then we must conclude the Helen Keller was totally lacking in intelligence. You are confusing the visual faculty (a

RE: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-26 Thread ben
On 26 Dec 2002 at 10:32, Gary Miller wrote: On Dec. 26 Alan Grimes said: According to my rule of thumb, If it has a natural language database it is wrong, Alan I can see based on the current generation of bot technology why one would feel this way. I can also see people having