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2006-07-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:23:54AM +0200, Shane Legg wrote: When measuring the intelligence of a human or other animal you have to use an appropriate test -- clearly cats can't solve linguistic Cats and people share common capabilities, which can be tested for by the same test. A human

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2006-07-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hmmm... About the measurement of general intelligence in AGI's ... I would tend to advocate a vectorial intelligence approach I tend to think that quantitatively or otherwise precisely defining and measuring general intelligence -- as a single number -- is a bit of a conceptual and pragmatic

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2006-07-25 Thread Shane Legg
On 7/25/06, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm...About the measurement of general intelligence in AGI's ...I would tend to advocate a vectorial intelligence approachI'm not against a vector approach. Naturally every intelligent system will have domains in which it is stronger than

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2006-07-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 07:48:10PM +0200, Shane Legg wrote: After some months looking around for tests of intelligence for machines what I found Why would machines need a different test of intelligence than people or animals? Stick them into the Skinner box, make them solve mazes, make

Re: [agi] Flow charts? Source Code? .. Computing Intelligence? How too? ................. ping

2006-07-13 Thread Shane Legg
James,Currently I'm writing a much longer paper (about 40 pages) on intelligencemeasurement. A draft version of this will be ready in about a month whichI hope to circulate around a bit for comments and criticism. There is also another guy who has recently come to my attention who is doing

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2006-07-13 Thread Shane Legg
On 7/13/06, Pei Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shane,Do you mean Warren Smith?Yes.Shane To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2006-07-13 Thread James Ratcliff
Shane, Thanks, I would appreciate that greatly.On the topic of measuring intelligence, what do you think about the actual structure of comparison of some of today's AI systems. I would like to see someone come up with and get support for a general fairly widespread set of test s for general AI

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2006-07-13 Thread Ben Goertzel
I think that public learning/training of an AGI would be a terrible disaster... Look at what happened with OpenMind and MindPixel These projects allowed the public to upload knowledge into them, which resulted in a lot of knowledge of the general nature Jennifer Lopez got a nice butt, etc.

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2006-07-13 Thread James Ratcliff
Ben, Yes, but OpenMind did get quite a bit of usable information into it as well, and mainly they learned a lot about the process. I believe, and they are looking at as well, different ways of grading the participants themselves, so the obviously juvienile ones could be graded down and out of the

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2006-07-13 Thread Ben Goertzel
I agree that using the Net to recruit a team of volunteer AGI teachers would be a good idea. But opening the process up to random web-surfers is, IMO, asking for trouble...! -- Ben On 7/13/06, James Ratcliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, Yes, but OpenMind did get quite a bit of usable

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2006-07-13 Thread Pei Wang
Ben, Though Piaget is my favorite psychologist, I don't think his theory on Developmental Psychology applies to AI to the extent you suggested. One major reason is: in a human baby, the mental learning process in the mind and the biological developing process in the brain happen together, while

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2006-07-06 Thread William Pearson
On 06/07/06, Russell Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/6/06, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you define the sorts of tasks humans are designed to carry out? I can't see an easy way of categorising all the problems individual humans have shown there worth at, such as