On 9/13/2020 12:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The below CFJ is 3884. I assign it to Shelvacu. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3884 > > =============================== CFJ 3884 =============================== > > The Lunar Laser Ranging experiment is a forum. > > ========================================================================== > > Caller: G. > Barred: Falsifian > > Judge: Shelvacu > > ========================================================================== > > History: > > Called by G.: 06 Sep 2020 19:18:00 > Assigned to Shelvacu: [now] > > ========================================================================== > > Caller's Arguments: > > On 9/6/2020 11:43 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: >> Registrar's opinion: >> >> The Lunar Laser Ranging experiment is not a forum, so it does not have >> an instance of the Publicity switch, so the new Emergency Regulation >> didn't do anything. >> >> Even if the experiment can be used for communication, it would be a >> stretch to call it a "place for discussion" or a "message board" >> (Wiktionary: "forum"). > > Looking at the peer-reviewed literature linked to: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment > > It looks like it would be possible, with reasonable effort, to write a > protocol giving instructions on using this medium for communications > (access to equipment is not relevant, any more than access to email > clients is part of email forum determination). For example, Bender, P. > L.; et al. (1973). Science. 182 (4109): 229–238 gives a full description > of the method. All that is needed is: > >> - a powerful laser, typically a few watts, with substantial >> pulse energy; >> - sub-arcsecond intrinsic divergence, meaning a launch >> beam diameter exceeding 10 cm; >> - sub-arcsecond pointing and tracking capability; >> - large collection aperture for the return; >> - aggressive filtering in the temporal, spatial, and >> wavelength domains. >> Additionally, the laser pulsewidth should be <100 ps so that >> it does not compete with the reflector-induced spread in the >> overall error budget. > > As such, it is an "open" forum ready for communication, even if the gear > is not set up or accessible. > > Specifics aside, it would be useful to get a functional definition of a > forum, and whether (in a general sense) a powered instrument or regulation > can define one regardless of the existence of a reliable access method - > i.e. can a scam define a forum that's functionally inaccessible, or is > that blocked by the common definition? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gratuitous Arguments by Falsifian: > > After thinking about your argument, I changed my mind and agree that > it's a forum. > > I was going to object that even though the Lunar Ranging Experiment > *could* be used for communication, that's not its normal use and so > nobody would ever call it a "forum" the way we call e.g. an email list a > "communication forum". But it occurs to me that requiring fora to > already be used for communication could create a bootstrapping problem > if we ever did want to use something even slightly unconventional as a > public or discussion forum, so it's probably best to interpret "forum" > broadly. > > ========================================================================== >
H. Judge Shelvacu, Just realized I never put the actual event in the Evidence, so the following evidence will be included in the case archives (knowing Agora, you might find that all emergency regulations are broken, or the whole rulebending thing never worked anyway, or something like that). The alleged creation of the forum was in this message: On 9/4/2020 1:06 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > I demonstrate the following rulebending form: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The following Emergency Regulation is enacted: > > The publicity of the Lunar Laser Ranging experiment is set to > Discussion. > > [ > For reference: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment > ] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Note: this had/has nothing to do with the original purpose of the scam, > but in setting this up it became apparent that the creation of emergency > regulations isn't secured, so it's a huge hole whereby an AI-1 > instrument, including a proposal, can change AI-3 secured stuff > (arguably, of course!) I think the emergency regulations would get > around just about every limit that rulebending places on itself. https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-September/044799.html Relevant Rules Citations: Rule 2614/5 (Power=3.01) Eclipse Light Rule 2633/0 (Power=3.0) Rulebending -G.
