Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8008-8009

[Alexis Hunt]

As do I.


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 03:46, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 7:02 PM Edward Murphy  wrote:
>
> > > 8008*  CB [1]   1.0  Picto-Nomic CB [1]  3 sh.
> > http://textbook.stpauls.br/International_Economics/images/pic061.jpg
> > > 8009*  Trigon, [2]  2.6  PAoaM v6 [3]Trigon  3 sh.
> > PRESENT
> >
> > I retract any previous vote on 8009, and vote AGAINST. It says "Replace
> all occurances of "shiny" and "shinies" in the ruleset in the
> order they appear with "coin" and "coins" respectively", but does not
> provide any definition for "the order they appear". Acending numericial
> order would be clear, but I'm not sure what this refers to. The SLR? The
> FLR? The one from last week, or the first one ever published? It's
> ambiguous. In fact, we were relying on that to fix a use of one of those in
> the proposal itself, which 1. it can't now and 2. won't be in any published
> ruleset by the time this is resolved. Trigon, I'm sorry I didn't point this
> out sooner.
>
> -Aris
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8008-8009

[Aris Merchant]

I'm very sorry. I saw this earlier and just forgot about it until now. I
transfer Trigon 5 shinies (which will be obsolete soon anyway, but oh well).

-Aris

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 12:50 AM Reuben Staley 
wrote:

> *cries because I spent literally hours today making the automation because
> I thought it was going to be enacted tomorrow without any problems.*
>
> On Feb 11, 2018 01:46, "Aris Merchant"  >
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 7:02 PM Edward Murphy  wrote:
> >
> > > > 8008*  CB [1]   1.0  Picto-Nomic CB [1]  3
> sh.
> > > http://textbook.stpauls.br/International_Economics/images/pic061.jpg
> > > > 8009*  Trigon, [2]  2.6  PAoaM v6 [3]Trigon  3
> sh.
> > > PRESENT
> > >
> > > I retract any previous vote on 8009, and vote AGAINST. It says "Replace
> > all occurances of "shiny" and "shinies" in the ruleset in the
> > order they appear with "coin" and "coins" respectively", but does not
> > provide any definition for "the order they appear". Acending numericial
> > order would be clear, but I'm not sure what this refers to. The SLR? The
> > FLR? The one from last week, or the first one ever published? It's
> > ambiguous. In fact, we were relying on that to fix a use of one of those
> in
> > the proposal itself, which 1. it can't now and 2. won't be in any
> published
> > ruleset by the time this is resolved. Trigon, I'm sorry I didn't point
> this
> > out sooner.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
>

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8008-8009

[Aris Merchant]

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 7:02 PM Edward Murphy  wrote:

> > 8008*  CB [1]   1.0  Picto-Nomic CB [1]  3 sh.
> http://textbook.stpauls.br/International_Economics/images/pic061.jpg
> > 8009*  Trigon, [2]  2.6  PAoaM v6 [3]Trigon  3 sh.
> PRESENT
>
> I retract any previous vote on 8009, and vote AGAINST. It says "Replace
all occurances of "shiny" and "shinies" in the ruleset in the
order they appear with "coin" and "coins" respectively", but does not
provide any definition for "the order they appear". Acending numericial
order would be clear, but I'm not sure what this refers to. The SLR? The
FLR? The one from last week, or the first one ever published? It's
ambiguous. In fact, we were relying on that to fix a use of one of those in
the proposal itself, which 1. it can't now and 2. won't be in any published
ruleset by the time this is resolved. Trigon, I'm sorry I didn't point this
out sooner.

-Aris

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8008-8009

[Edward Murphy]

8008*  CB [1]   1.0  Picto-Nomic CB [1]  3 sh.

http://textbook.stpauls.br/International_Economics/images/pic061.jpg

8009*  Trigon, [2]  2.6  PAoaM v6 [3]Trigon  3 sh.

PRESENT

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8008-8009

[Nicholas Evans]

Having read it, I change my vote on 8009 to an enthusiastic FOR.


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On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Nicholas Evans  wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 7:02 PM, Aris Merchant <
> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> > quorum is 3.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
> > are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
> > votes).
> >
> > ID Author(s)AI   Title   Pender  Pend fee
> > 
> > ---
> > 8008*  CB [1]   1.0  Picto-Nomic CB [1]  3 sh
>
>
> ​AGAINST. Among other issues people have listed, adequate recordkeeping
> would be a nightmare.​
>
>
>
> > .
> > 8009*  Trigon, [2]  2.6  PAoaM v6 [3]Trigon  3 sh.
> >
> >
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BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8008-8009

[Nicholas Evans]

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 7:02 PM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> quorum is 3.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
> votes).
>
> ID Author(s)AI   Title   Pender  Pend fee
> 
> ---
> 8008*  CB [1]   1.0  Picto-Nomic CB [1]  3 sh


​AGAINST. Among other issues people have listed, adequate recordkeeping
would be a nightmare.​



> .
> 8009*  Trigon, [2]  2.6  PAoaM v6 [3]Trigon  3 sh.
>
>
​PRESENT​


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BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8008-8009

[ATMunn]

I vote as follows:


8008*  CB [1]   1.0  Picto-Nomic CB [1]  3 sh.
AGAINST, it's a silly idea and could lead to some very confusing 
situations where nobody knows how the rule is to be interpreted

8009*  Trigon, [2]  2.6  PAoaM v6 [3]Trigon  3 sh.
FOR, nobody has found a major flaw yet, and we need to get the economy 
ball rolling again.

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8008-8009

[Gaelan Steele]

Ttttpf

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> 
> AGAINST 8008. ASCII art is more convenient and doesn’t require rules support. 
> 
> PRESENT 8009. I like my design (less abstract, larger but sparse map) more, 
> but this is a well-written, interesting proposal I don’t feel justified in 
> voting down. 
> 
> Gaelan 
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 5:02 PM, Aris Merchant 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
>> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
>> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
>> quorum is 3.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
>> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
>> votes).
>> 
>> ID Author(s)AI   Title   Pender  Pend fee
>> ---
>> 8008*  CB [1]   1.0  Picto-Nomic CB [1]  3 sh.
>> 8009*  Trigon, [2]  2.6  PAoaM v6 [3]Trigon  3 sh.
>> 
>> The proposal pool is currently empty.
>> 
>> 
>> [1] CuddleBeam
>> [2] Aris, ATMunn, G., o, VJ Rada
>> [3] Putting Agora on a Map v6
>> 
>> Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
>> 
>> A proposal may be pended for 3 shinies.
>> 
>> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.
>> 
>> //
>> ID: 8008
>> Title: Picto-Nomic
>> Adoption index: 1.0
>> Author: CuddleBeam
>> Co-authors:
>> 
>> 
>> Create a new rule called "Picto-Nomic" (Power=1.0) with the following text:
>> 
>> Rules may have their content be, instead of text, images, or urls to them,
>> with these linked images being considered to be that rule's content for
>> play. These are known as "Picto-rules".
>> 
>> //
>> ID: 8009
>> Title: Putting Agora on a Map v6
>> Adoption index: 2.6
>> Author: Trigon
>> Co-authors: Aris, ATMunn, G., o, VJ Rada
>> 
>> 
>> [ PART I: Removing and Changing Stuff ]
>> 
>> Repeal rule 2500 "Action Points".
>> 
>> Amend rule 2445 "How to Pend a Proposal" by replacing the second
>> paragraph and subsequent list with:
>> 
>> Any player CAN flip a specified proposal's imminence to "pending"
>> by announcement by spending 1 paper.
>> 
>> Repeal rules 2483 "Economics", 2487 "Shiny Supply Level", and 2497
>> "Floating Value".
>> 
>> Re-enact rule 2599 "Welcome Packages" by replacing the second paragraph
>> with:
>> 
>> If a player has not received a Welcome Package since e most
>> recently registered, any player CAN cause em to receive one by
>> announcement.
>> 
>> When a player receives a Welcome Package, Agora creates the
>> following assets in eir possession:
>> 
>>   1. 10 coins
>>   2. 5 lumber
>>   3. 5 stones
>>   4. 10 apples
>>   5. 3 papers
>> 
>> Make all players eligable to recieve Welcome Packages.
>> 
>> Create a new rule "Paydays" (Power=2) and amend it so that its text
>> reads, in full:
>> 
>> Whenever a Payday occurs, the following events happen in order:
>> 
>> 1. For each entity possessing shinies, half of eir shinies
>>(rounded up) are destroyed.
>> 
>> 2. The following assets are created in the possession of each
>>player:
>>A. 10 coins
>>B. 5 apples
>>C. 3 papers
>> 
>> 3. For each office, if a single player held that office for 16 or
>>more days in the previous month and e was not issued any Cards
>>other than Green for eir conduct in that office during that
>>time, the following assets are created in the possession of
>>that player:
>>A. 3 coins
>>B. 1 corn
>> 
>> The occurrence of Paydays is secured.  At the beginning of each
>> month, a Payday occurs.
>> 
>> [PART II: Making Land]
>> 
>> Re-enact rule 1993/1 (Power=2) "The Land of Arcadia" with the text:
>> 
>> Arcadia is a land entirely defined by the Arcadian Map (the Map).
>> The Map is the term for the set of all Land Units.
>> 
>> The Map divides Arcadia into a finite, discrete number of Units of
>> Land, or simply Land. Each Unit of Land is an indestructible asset
>> specified by an ordered pair of integers known as its Latitude and
>> Longitude.
>> 
>> Every unique ordered pair of integers within the limits defined in
>> the Rules for Latitude and Longitude signifies an existent Unit of
>> Land. No other Units of Land exist. Units of Land CAN only be
>> created or destroyed by changing the limits of Latitude and
>> Longitude defined in the Rules.
>> 
>> All values for Latitude and Longitude MUST lie between -9 and +9,
>> inclusive.
>> 
>> The Total Land Area of Arcadia is the number of existent Units of
>> Land defined by permissible Latitude and Longitude pairs.
>> 
>> Re-enact rule 1994/0 (Power=2) "Ownership of Land" with the text:
>> 
>> Any existent Land for which ownership has not been explicitly
>> changed belongs to Agora.
>> 
>> 

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8008-8009

[Alexis Hunt]

AGAINST 8008, since I'm quite positive that it fails to function due to
power.

FOR 8009.

On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 at 20:24 Reuben Staley  wrote:

> AGAINST 8008
> FOR 8009
>
> On Feb 4, 2018 18:03, "Aris Merchant" 
> wrote:
>
> > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> > quorum is 3.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
> > are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
> > votes).
> >
> > ID Author(s)AI   Title   Pender  Pend fee
> > 
> > ---
> > 8008*  CB [1]   1.0  Picto-Nomic CB [1]  3 sh.
> > 8009*  Trigon, [2]  2.6  PAoaM v6 [3]Trigon  3 sh.
> >
> > The proposal pool is currently empty.
> >
> >
> > [1] CuddleBeam
> > [2] Aris, ATMunn, G., o, VJ Rada
> > [3] Putting Agora on a Map v6
> >
> > Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
> >
> > A proposal may be pended for 3 shinies.
> >
> > The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8008
> > Title: Picto-Nomic
> > Adoption index: 1.0
> > Author: CuddleBeam
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > Create a new rule called "Picto-Nomic" (Power=1.0) with the following
> text:
> >
> > Rules may have their content be, instead of text, images, or urls to
> them,
> > with these linked images being considered to be that rule's content for
> > play. These are known as "Picto-rules".
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8009
> > Title: Putting Agora on a Map v6
> > Adoption index: 2.6
> > Author: Trigon
> > Co-authors: Aris, ATMunn, G., o, VJ Rada
> >
> >
> > [ PART I: Removing and Changing Stuff ]
> >
> > Repeal rule 2500 "Action Points".
> >
> > Amend rule 2445 "How to Pend a Proposal" by replacing the second
> > paragraph and subsequent list with:
> >
> >   Any player CAN flip a specified proposal's imminence to "pending"
> >   by announcement by spending 1 paper.
> >
> > Repeal rules 2483 "Economics", 2487 "Shiny Supply Level", and 2497
> > "Floating Value".
> >
> > Re-enact rule 2599 "Welcome Packages" by replacing the second paragraph
> > with:
> >
> >   If a player has not received a Welcome Package since e most
> >   recently registered, any player CAN cause em to receive one by
> >   announcement.
> >
> >   When a player receives a Welcome Package, Agora creates the
> >   following assets in eir possession:
> >
> > 1. 10 coins
> > 2. 5 lumber
> > 3. 5 stones
> > 4. 10 apples
> > 5. 3 papers
> >
> > Make all players eligable to recieve Welcome Packages.
> >
> > Create a new rule "Paydays" (Power=2) and amend it so that its text
> > reads, in full:
> >
> >   Whenever a Payday occurs, the following events happen in order:
> >
> >   1. For each entity possessing shinies, half of eir shinies
> >  (rounded up) are destroyed.
> >
> >   2. The following assets are created in the possession of each
> >  player:
> >  A. 10 coins
> >  B. 5 apples
> >  C. 3 papers
> >
> >   3. For each office, if a single player held that office for 16 or
> >  more days in the previous month and e was not issued any Cards
> >  other than Green for eir conduct in that office during that
> >  time, the following assets are created in the possession of
> >  that player:
> >  A. 3 coins
> >  B. 1 corn
> >
> >   The occurrence of Paydays is secured.  At the beginning of each
> >   month, a Payday occurs.
> >
> > [PART II: Making Land]
> >
> > Re-enact rule 1993/1 (Power=2) "The Land of Arcadia" with the text:
> >
> >   Arcadia is a land entirely defined by the Arcadian Map (the Map).
> >   The Map is the term for the set of all Land Units.
> >
> >   The Map divides Arcadia into a finite, discrete number of Units of
> >   Land, or simply Land. Each Unit of Land is an indestructible asset
> >   specified by an ordered pair of integers known as its Latitude and
> >   Longitude.
> >
> >   Every unique ordered pair of integers within the limits defined in
> >   the Rules for Latitude and Longitude signifies an existent Unit of
> >   Land. No other Units of Land exist. Units of Land CAN only be
> >   created or destroyed by changing the limits of Latitude and
> >   Longitude defined in the Rules.
> >
> >   All values for Latitude and Longitude MUST lie between -9 and +9,
> >   inclusive.
> >
> >   The Total Land Area of Arcadia is the number of existent Units of
> >   Land defined by permissible Latitude and Longitude pairs.
> >
> > Re-enact rule 1994/0 (Power=2) "Ownership of Land" with the text:
> >
> >   Any existent Land for which ownership has not been explicitly
> >   changed