Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:00 PM omd via agora-business wrote: > > at 11:54 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official > wrote: > > 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans > FOR > > 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock > PRESENT > > 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals > AGAINST (Rule 2531 has two lists…) > > 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods > AGAINST, because the last paragraph is scammable as a power escalation > > 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons > PRESENT > > 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win > > ever! > CoE: The distribution message is inconsistent about who authored this > proposal. If it was validly distributed, AGAINST. Denied. The message said: "Where the information shown below differs from the information shown above, the information shown above shall control." The notice as a whole was consistent and correct. -Aris
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
On 6/30/20 12:03 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! > PRESENT > > I change my vote on this proposal to AGAINST. [I forgot about it attempting to repeal a revision.] -- Jason Cobb
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
Somehow I missed this one :P I vote as follows: ID Author(s)AITitle --- 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans FOR 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock ENDORSE G. 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals FOR 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods FOR 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons PRESENT. Oh look, another fix for that hilariously overengineered bodies of law thing. 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win ever! AGAINST 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense FOR 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option FOR 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch FOR 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch PRESENT 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering FOR 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals FOR 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! PRESENT 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc. FOR -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
On behalf of twg, I vote Endorse G. on all the below proposals. I (G.) vote as follows: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans FOR > 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock FOR > 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals Endorse Aris. > 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods FOR > 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons FOR > 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win ever! FOR > 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense FOR > 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option FOR > 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch FOR > 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch FOR > 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering FOR > 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals FOR. But the whole "last 7 days" thing is still complicated given the variable timing of proposal resolutions, why not link it to Agoran Week? > 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! FOR > 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc. FOR -G.
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
I vote as follows. ID Author(s)AITitle --- 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans endorse Jason 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock endorse G. 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals endorse R. Lee 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods endorse Jason 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons endorse Jason 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win ever! AGAINST 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense endorse Jason 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option PRESENT 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch endorse Jason 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch PRESENT 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering if Aris's final vote is AGAINST, then AGAINST, otherwise FOR 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals endorse nch 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! AGAINST since it's unclear what repealing a rule revision does. 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc. if Aris's final vote is AGAINST, then AGAINST, otherwise FOR -- Falsifian
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
I vote as follows. As usual, in case of ambiguity, proposal titles are most important in determining my intent. 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans FOR 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock FOR 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals FOR 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods FOR 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons FOR 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win ever! AGAINST (rather fix it properly) 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense FOR 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option AGAINST (rather keep it and fix it properly) 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch FOR 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch FOR 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering FOR 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals FOR 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! AGAINST (a Referee who actually abuses that power would presumably be impeached anyway) 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc. FOR
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
I, nch, cast a**ballot (syn. vote) which I believe to be valid on each of the following proposals wherein the vote directly below the quote with the proposal number is the vote on that proposal. On 6/30/20 1:54 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans FOR > 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock PRESENT > 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals PRESENT > 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods FOR > 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons PRESENT > 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win ever! PRESENT > 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense FOR > 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option FOR > 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch PRESENT > 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch FOR > 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering FOR > 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals FOR > 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! PRESENT > 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc. FOR -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
at 11:54 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans FOR 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock PRESENT 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals AGAINST (Rule 2531 has two lists…) 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods AGAINST, because the last paragraph is scammable as a power escalation 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons PRESENT 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win ever! CoE: The distribution message is inconsistent about who authored this proposal. If it was validly distributed, AGAINST. 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense AGAINST; I don’t think a message to a-d would even count as an attempt, but ossifying Agora through some mechanism other than a public message should still be prohibited. 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option AGAINST 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch FOR 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch FOR 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering FOR 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals AGAINST 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! AGAINST 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc. FOR
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
I vote as follows: 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans FOR 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock FOR 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals FOR 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods FOR 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons FOR 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win ever! AGAINST 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense FOR 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option PRESENT 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch FOR 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch FOR 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering FOR 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals FOR. I personally think this is the best solution to the problem. 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! FOR 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc. FOR
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
I vote as follows: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans FOR > 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock ENDORSE G. > 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals FOR > 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods FOR > 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons FOR > 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win ever! AGAINST > 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense FOR > 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option AGAINST > 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch FOR > 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch FOR > 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering FOR > 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals PRESENT > 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! PRESENT > 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc. FOR -- Jason Cobb
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
I vote as follows: On 6/30/20 2:54 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > PROMOTOR'S REPORT AS OF RIGHT NOW > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating a referendum on it, > and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector > is the Assessor, the quorum is 8, the voting method is AI-majority, and the > valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are > conditional votes). > > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans FOR > 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock FOR > 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals FOR > 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods FOR > 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons FOR > 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win ever! AGAINST > 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense FOR > 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option AGAINST > 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch FOR > 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch FOR > 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering FOR > 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals AGAINST (I'd be supportive of this if it didn't get rid of Certifiable Patches) > 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! AGAINST (I think this discretion is important for instances where a finger-pointing is mistakenly processed) > 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc. FOR -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
I vote FOR all
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:04 AM Becca Lee via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> I vote like this and have tcbapo do the same
>
> 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans
> FOR
> 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock
> FOR
> 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals
> FOR (as a reminder, all of these provisions were adopted but failed because
> of incorrect specifications)
> 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods
> FOR
> 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons
> AGAINST
> 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win
> ever!
> FOR
> 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense
> FOR
> 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option
> FOR
> 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch
> Kill me, FOR
> 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch
> AGAINST (found not necessary by CFJ)
> 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering
> FOR
> 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals
> PRESENT unless either proposal 8464 or 8466 has passed, in which case
> AGAINST
> 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary!
> 'FOR
> 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc.
> FOR
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:55 PM Aris Merchant via agora-official <
> agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > PROMOTOR'S REPORT AS OF RIGHT NOW
> >
> > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating a referendum on it,
> > and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote
> > collector
> > is the Assessor, the quorum is 8, the voting method is AI-majority, and
> the
> > valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
> > conditional votes).
> >
> > ID Author(s)AITitle
> >
> ---
> > 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans
> > 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock
> > 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals
> > 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods
> > 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons
> > 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win
> > ever!
> > 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense
> > 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option
> > 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch
> > 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch
> > 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering
> > 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals
> > 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary!
> > 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc.
> >
> > The proposal pool contains the following proposals:
> >
> > Author(s)AITitle
> >
> ---
> > G. 3.0 no backdating needed
> > omd, nch 1.0 Reset deadlines when resetting the economy
> > Falsifian, G.1.0 Contract charities
> > Murphy 1.7 Decriminalization
> > Murphy, G. 1.0 Generalized card auctions
> > omd 1.0 Stop disincentivizing bugfixes
> >
> > [1] nch, Falsifian
> > [2] Alexis, Falsifian, nch, G.
> >
> > Legend: * : Democratic proposal.
> > # : Ordinary proposal, unset chamber.
> > e : Economy ministry proposal.
> > f : Efficiency ministry proposal.
> > j : Justice ministry proposal.
> > l : Legislation ministry proposal.
> > p : Participation ministry proposal.
> >
> >
> > The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below. Where
> > the information shown below differs from the information shown above,
> > the information shown above shall control.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8459
> > Title: Talismans
> > Adoption index: 3.0
> > Author: Aris
> > Co-authors: nch, Falsifian, G.
> >
> >
> > For the purposes of this proposal, a player's prior master is eir master
> > before this proposal applies any effects.
> >
> > Amend Rule 2532 to read, in whole:
> > {
> >
> > A talisman is an indestructible asset, tracked by the Registrar, and
> > with ownership wholly restricted to players and Agora. There exists
> > exactly one talisman for each player, and no other talismans; if one
> > does not exist for a certain player, it is created in eir posession.
> > Talismans CAN only be transferred as explicitly specified by the rules.
> > The creation, destruction, and transfer of talismans is secured.
> >
> > Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a player CAN, by announcement,
> > transfer the talisman for em
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
I vote like this and have tcbapo do the same
8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans
FOR
8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock
FOR
8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals
FOR (as a reminder, all of these provisions were adopted but failed because
of incorrect specifications)
8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods
FOR
8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons
AGAINST
8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win
ever!
FOR
8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense
FOR
8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option
FOR
8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch
Kill me, FOR
8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch
AGAINST (found not necessary by CFJ)
8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering
FOR
8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals
PRESENT unless either proposal 8464 or 8466 has passed, in which case
AGAINST
8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary!
'FOR
8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc.
FOR
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:55 PM Aris Merchant via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> PROMOTOR'S REPORT AS OF RIGHT NOW
>
> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating a referendum on it,
> and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote
> collector
> is the Assessor, the quorum is 8, the voting method is AI-majority, and the
> valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
> conditional votes).
>
> ID Author(s)AITitle
> ---
> 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans
> 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock
> 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals
> 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods
> 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons
> 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win
> ever!
> 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense
> 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option
> 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch
> 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch
> 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering
> 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals
> 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary!
> 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc.
>
> The proposal pool contains the following proposals:
>
> Author(s)AITitle
> ---
> G. 3.0 no backdating needed
> omd, nch 1.0 Reset deadlines when resetting the economy
> Falsifian, G.1.0 Contract charities
> Murphy 1.7 Decriminalization
> Murphy, G. 1.0 Generalized card auctions
> omd 1.0 Stop disincentivizing bugfixes
>
> [1] nch, Falsifian
> [2] Alexis, Falsifian, nch, G.
>
> Legend: * : Democratic proposal.
> # : Ordinary proposal, unset chamber.
> e : Economy ministry proposal.
> f : Efficiency ministry proposal.
> j : Justice ministry proposal.
> l : Legislation ministry proposal.
> p : Participation ministry proposal.
>
>
> The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below. Where
> the information shown below differs from the information shown above,
> the information shown above shall control.
>
> //
> ID: 8459
> Title: Talismans
> Adoption index: 3.0
> Author: Aris
> Co-authors: nch, Falsifian, G.
>
>
> For the purposes of this proposal, a player's prior master is eir master
> before this proposal applies any effects.
>
> Amend Rule 2532 to read, in whole:
> {
>
> A talisman is an indestructible asset, tracked by the Registrar, and
> with ownership wholly restricted to players and Agora. There exists
> exactly one talisman for each player, and no other talismans; if one
> does not exist for a certain player, it is created in eir posession.
> Talismans CAN only be transferred as explicitly specified by the rules.
> The creation, destruction, and transfer of talismans is secured.
>
> Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a player CAN, by announcement,
> transfer the talisman for em to emself. The master of a player is the
> entity that possesses the talisman for em. A player who is eir own
> master is active; any other player is a zombie (syn. inactive).
>
> The master of a zombie CAN act on behalf of em, except a master CANNOT
> act on behalf of a zombie to:
> - initiate, support, object to, or perform a
