Re: DIS: agoran language

2013-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin


On Tue, 13 Aug 2013, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
 On Mon, 12 Aug 2013, Max Schutz wrote:
 
  i am just curious and i don't there was EVER an explanation given but i see
  e in liue he almost like pirate language i am just wondering if those
  dialects are like designated agoran language
 
 Yes, Agora traditionally uses the gender neutral Spivak pronouns: e, em, eir.
 
 A quick search reveals that they were used already in the initial ruleset.
 Perhaps they were inherited from Nomic World, I found a single use in the
 ruleset linked at
 http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/nomicworld/norrish/ruleset-1dec92.

Yes, there from the beginning.  May have been an inspiration from
Hofstadter's writings, Steve is the best early champion of Spivak to
describe how it got there.



Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3388 assigned to Fool

2013-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin


On Tue, 13 Aug 2013, Sean Hunt wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote:
  I judge this FALSE / 'cuz it's ambiguous / it's of no effect if it's unclear
  / I judge this FALSE / 'cuz it's ambiguous / it's of no effect if it's
  unclear / I judge this FALSE / 'cuz it's ambiguous / it's of no effect if
  it's unclear / I judge this FALSE / 'cuz it's ambiguous / it's of no effect
  if it's unclear.
 
   -- Danny boy, Danny boy, Danny boy
 
 I start an inq'ry case; I start a crim'nal case.
 I start an eq't'y case; I start an appeal case.
 I find a paradox hiding in the contract.
 I find a paradox hiding in the ruleset!

E started a case! (e started a case) E started a case! (e started a case)
E started a case! (e started a case) E started a case (a new case) a new case
(a new case) a new case a new case a new case a new case a new caase.





DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3387 assigned to ais523

2013-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin


On Mon, 12 Aug 2013, Jonathan Rouillard wrote:
 4. Agora runs on legal reasoning and my exegesis of if above is
 entirely correct. In this case, once again, Fool's promises were
 slightly buggy, but a better-phrased version would generate a paradox
 and allow turtle creation. I believe this to be the correct
 interpretation.

You might get some mileage comparing and/or contrasting our use of
'or' (which sometimes is used as logical OR, but more often in the 
ruleset XOR).  The fact that it is context driven implies a 
legalistic/ common sense use.





DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread Charles Walker
nommit has gone into a convention. Seems like a good time to join.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nommit/comments/1k8d78/new_game_convention/

Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread Max Schutz
so we are allowed to be part of more than one  nomic at once?


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Charles Walker
charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote:

 nommit has gone into a convention. Seems like a good time to join.

 http://www.reddit.com/r/nommit/comments/1k8d78/new_game_convention/



Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread Craig Daniel
Absolutely! Nothing wrong with it, any more than there's something wrong
with playing two games of chess at once.

Less, even, since outside of showing off it's considered polite to give the
one chess game you're in all your attention until it ends.


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.com wrote:

 so we are allowed to be part of more than one  nomic at once?


 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Charles Walker 
 charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 nommit has gone into a convention. Seems like a good time to join.

 http://www.reddit.com/r/nommit/comments/1k8d78/new_game_convention/





Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote:
 Absolutely! Nothing wrong with it, any more than there's something wrong
 with playing two games of chess at once.

 Less, even, since outside of showing off it's considered polite to give the
 one chess game you're in all your attention until it ends.


 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.com wrote:

 so we are allowed to be part of more than one  nomic at once?


 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Charles Walker
 charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 nommit has gone into a convention. Seems like a good time to join.

 http://www.reddit.com/r/nommit/comments/1k8d78/new_game_convention/




Well, unless there's a rule in one of the Nomics that prevent you from
joining another. =P

~ Roujo


Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread Craig Daniel
Yes. When such an attempt is underway, it's not uncommon for the nomic on
the receiving end to try to quickly pass a rule barring players of the
other from joining. Sometimes that even works.

Agora has never been invaded that I'm aware of, but is still a little
paranoid about it and has more robust mechanisms for trying to stop such
things in a hurry. Gerontocracy is the current preference; restricting
voting on many proposals to a subset of players designated as Senators is
another one that was around for an extended period, and I'm sure people who
actually play this specific game a bunch can tell you others that have been
used.


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.com wrote:

 well i heard something about being in multiple nomics and people using
 that to try and take over a nomic


 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Jonathan Rouillard 
 jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote:
  Absolutely! Nothing wrong with it, any more than there's something wrong
  with playing two games of chess at once.
 
  Less, even, since outside of showing off it's considered polite to give
 the
  one chess game you're in all your attention until it ends.
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  so we are allowed to be part of more than one  nomic at once?
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Charles Walker
  charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  nommit has gone into a convention. Seems like a good time to join.
 
  http://www.reddit.com/r/nommit/comments/1k8d78/new_game_convention/
 
 
 

 Well, unless there's a rule in one of the Nomics that prevent you from
 joining another. =P

 ~ Roujo





Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread Max Schutz
well i heard something about being in multiple nomics and people using that
to try and take over a nomic


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Jonathan Rouillard 
jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote:
  Absolutely! Nothing wrong with it, any more than there's something wrong
  with playing two games of chess at once.
 
  Less, even, since outside of showing off it's considered polite to give
 the
  one chess game you're in all your attention until it ends.
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  so we are allowed to be part of more than one  nomic at once?
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Charles Walker
  charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  nommit has gone into a convention. Seems like a good time to join.
 
  http://www.reddit.com/r/nommit/comments/1k8d78/new_game_convention/
 
 
 

 Well, unless there's a rule in one of the Nomics that prevent you from
 joining another. =P

 ~ Roujo



Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread James Beirne
 Absolutely! Nothing wrong with it, any more than there's something wrong
with playing two games of chess at once.

Now I'm getting ideas for Bughouse nomic

 Well, unless there's a rule in one of the Nomics that prevent you from
joining another. =P

I lololed

  Gerontocracy is the current preference

Ahhh, I was wondering what the point of that was.

But yeah, if anyone wants to join nommit during this convention you should
let me know and we can collude the heck out of it :D My reddit user page
is here: http://www.reddit.com/user/Ienpw_III

- Ien


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote:

 Yes. When such an attempt is underway, it's not uncommon for the nomic on
 the receiving end to try to quickly pass a rule barring players of the
 other from joining. Sometimes that even works.

 Agora has never been invaded that I'm aware of, but is still a little
 paranoid about it and has more robust mechanisms for trying to stop such
 things in a hurry. Gerontocracy is the current preference; restricting
 voting on many proposals to a subset of players designated as Senators is
 another one that was around for an extended period, and I'm sure people who
 actually play this specific game a bunch can tell you others that have been
 used.


 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.comwrote:

 well i heard something about being in multiple nomics and people using
 that to try and take over a nomic


 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Jonathan Rouillard 
 jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote:
  Absolutely! Nothing wrong with it, any more than there's something
 wrong
  with playing two games of chess at once.
 
  Less, even, since outside of showing off it's considered polite to
 give the
  one chess game you're in all your attention until it ends.
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  so we are allowed to be part of more than one  nomic at once?
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Charles Walker
  charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  nommit has gone into a convention. Seems like a good time to join.
 
  http://www.reddit.com/r/nommit/comments/1k8d78/new_game_convention/
 
 
 

 Well, unless there's a rule in one of the Nomics that prevent you from
 joining another. =P

 ~ Roujo






Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread Craig Daniel
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:51 PM, James Beirne james.m.bei...@gmail.comwrote:

  Absolutely! Nothing wrong with it, any more than there's something
 wrong with playing two games of chess at once.

 Now I'm getting ideas for Bughouse nomic

 Any rule that gets repealed from Nomic A becomes a part of Nomic B?


Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread James Beirne
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote:

   Absolutely! Nothing wrong with it, any more than there's something
 wrong with playing two games of chess at once.

 Now I'm getting ideas for Bughouse nomic

  Any rule that gets repealed from Nomic A becomes a part of Nomic B?


Yeah :D!


Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen

On Tue, 13 Aug 2013, Craig Daniel wrote:


Agora has never been invaded that I'm aware of, but is still a little
paranoid about it and has more robust mechanisms for trying to stop such
things in a hurry.


Agora _has_ invaded other nomics though.  I vaguely think the first time 
we did so (Rishonnomic) may also have been about the time we first made 
mechanisms to prevent it happening to us.  (I don't actually remember, 
though.)


Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3365 assigned to OscarMeyr

2013-08-13 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Charles Walker
charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 12 August 2013 21:44, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jonathan Rouillard
  jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Detail: http://cotc.psychose.ca/viewcase.php?cfj=3365
 
  =  Criminal Case 3365  =
 
  scshunt has violated Rule 2143 (Official Reports and Duties) by
  failing to publish the holder of each office, etc. last week.
 
  
 
 
 
  DRAFT
 
  Based on the arguments from the Appeal Panel, I find it sufficient to
 reduce
  the penalty to a loss of salary.  Accordingly, I rule GUILTY / FINE 350
  Yaks, that being the present amount of the IADoP's salary.

 Salaries are paid monthly, so you might want to look at something
 closer to a quarter of that, depending on how many reports the
 defendant missed.



Yes.  I know they're paid monthly.  :)
-- 
OscarMeyr


Re: DIS: agoran language

2013-08-13 Thread Benjamin Schultz
I thought Blob was the first Agoran to insist on being addressed with
Spivak pronouns.

-- 
OscarMeyr


Re: DIS: agoran language

2013-08-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen

On Tue, 13 Aug 2013, Benjamin Schultz wrote:


I thought Blob was the first Agoran to insist on being addressed with Spivak
pronouns.


Ah right I remember his viscous persona.  And he was probably not 
coincidentally also the author of the rule using one in that Nomic World 
ruleset I linked.


Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread Fool

On 13/08/2013 2:48 PM, Craig Daniel wrote:

Less, even, since outside of showing off it's considered polite to give
the one chess game you're in all your attention until it ends.


Though I think the difference here is between live games and 
play-by-mail, not between nomic and chess :)