Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin yang

2007-05-31 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: But I'm confused. What precisely is P supposed to represent in this context? Specifically, I think, the Pineapple Partnership is not a person. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposal 4997

2007-05-31 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: Primo Corporation votes FOR proposal #4997. It can't. VLDP=0 for non-natural persons. -zefram

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Limits and Credits Report

2007-05-31 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: Pineapple Partnership 1 Primo Corporation etc. It'd be a lot clearer if you used explicit 0 entries rather than blanks. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposal 4997

2007-05-31 Thread Roger Hicks
Then Primo casts all of its 0 votes :) Sorry forgot the No Free Votes proposal went through. BobTHJ On 5/31/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: Primo Corporation votes FOR proposal #4997. It can't. VLDP=0 for non-natural persons. -zefram

Re: DIS: proto: square root quorum

2007-05-31 Thread Michael Slone
On 5/31/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The quorum for an Agoran decision is ceil(sqrt(NEV)), where NEV ^^^ This would look better written out. I can't say I support the decrease in quorum. -- C. Maud Image (Michael Slone) Aww!

Re: DIS: proto: square root quorum

2007-05-31 Thread Zefram
Michael Slone wrote: This would look better written out. Would the ceiling of ... be clear enough, or does it have to be a postfix ... rounded up to the next integer? Or would fractional quorum be OK, which gives the same effect? I can't say I support the decrease in quorum. Is it the decrease

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin yang

2007-05-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/31/07, Michael Slone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In classical logic, (~P - P) - P is a tautology, since ~P - P is equivalent to P. ((~P - P) - P) - ((~P - P) - P) -root

Re: DIS: proto: better VLOP balance after wins

2007-05-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/31/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The voting limit on democratic proposals (VLDP) is one for a player who is a natural person, and zero for any other entity. The voting limit on ordinary proposals (VLOP) is variable. The default VLOP is 5 for a player who is a

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Disambiguate voter eligibility

2007-05-31 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: Amend Rule 879 (Quorum) to read: Do you realise that would wipe out the quorum fix that is currently under vote? -zefram

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Disambiguate voter eligibility

2007-05-31 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: Amend Rule 1959 (Voting Limits) to read: Wrong number. -zefram

DIS: BUS: Re: yin yang

2007-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin
root wrote: My keyboard hereby registers as a player, and none of you can judge otherwise. Your keyboard is a pineapple. Now we've come full circle. Also, can you prove you have the consent of your keyboard to bind em to an agreement? Or to act on eir behalf? Otherwise you've violated one

DIS: proto: generalise naturalhood

2007-05-31 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: generalise naturalhood AI: 3 We're currently putting the phrase natural person into various rules. As root has pointed out, this is hard-coding decisions that we might well change later. This proto factors out the relevant aspect of personhood. In its present form it doesn't

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin yang

2007-05-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/31/07, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: root wrote: My keyboard hereby registers as a player, and none of you can judge otherwise. Your keyboard is a pineapple. Now we've come full circle. Also, can you prove you have the consent of your keyboard to bind em to an agreement? Or to

Re: DIS: proto: generalise naturalhood

2007-05-31 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: Ooh, no potential for future abuse there! No more than in the current rules, certainly. -zefram

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Disambiguate voter eligibility

2007-05-31 Thread Michael Slone
On 5/31/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quorum for an Agoran decision is N/3 (where N is the number of eligible voters), rounded up, with a minimum of five (unless this is greater than N, in which quorum is N). I think you

DIS: phew!

2007-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin
Just wanted to congratulate everyone on the second-most busy month in agoranomic.org discussion history (measured by bytes in archive file). Just thought we might make it, but conversation died out in the final few hours. Just barely lost out to April 2005; April 2005 had a April Fools joke

Re: DIS: phew!

2007-05-31 Thread Roger Hicks
I've heard Annabel mentioned several times. Is there someplace I could find a synopsis of this crisis? BobTHJ On 5/31/07, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to congratulate everyone on the second-most busy month in agoranomic.org discussion history (measured by bytes in archive

Re: DIS: phew!

2007-05-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/31/07, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just barely lost out to April 2005; April 2005 had a April Fools joke that resulted in posting repeated copies of most of the ruleset in discussion forum, so maybe that's not a measure of discussion volume. On the other hand, current archives

Re: DIS: phew!

2007-05-31 Thread quazie
Ian Kelly wrote: On 5/31/07, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard Annabel mentioned several times. Is there someplace I could find a synopsis of this crisis? I don't think that anybody has ever written up a thesis on the subject, so your best bet is probably just to go digging