Re: DIS: Proto: Mandatory proxy voting

2008-07-02 Thread ihope
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The big issue is that under the hypothetical scheme, the effective vote power P of sets of players has the property P(S u T) - P(S) = VVLOD(T) (for |S| =2). Thus, the effective bargaining power every non-empty set of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2055 assigned to woggle

2008-07-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:59 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we're talking specific points in time here, then nobody's capable of sending email in English except during the split second they're pressing the send button I'm capable of sending an email in English at any moment. I just

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2055 assigned to woggle

2008-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:59 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we're talking specific points in time here, then nobody's capable of sending email in English except during the split second they're pressing the send button I'm capable of sending

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2032 judged FALSE by woggle

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:15 AM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming reasonable participation, the net effect in this case is very similar to taking five points (per week) away from everyone who does excersize the

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Decriminalization

2008-07-02 Thread comex
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal: Decriminalization (AI = 2, please) Create a rule titled Decriminalization with Power 2 and this text: If a rule defines a method of breaching it as decriminalized, then no person SHALL initiate a

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: MMI revisions

2008-07-02 Thread comex
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 8. MANDATE, REQUIREMENT, OBLIGATION: The action CAN be performed, and SHALL be performed by the specified time limit (if any). Oh, my... since when does being obligated to do something imply being able to

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals!

2008-07-02 Thread Sgeo
--- Replace the following sentence in R 2124 The Executor of such an announcement of intent CANNOT support nor object to it. with The Executor of such an announcement of intent CANNOT support nor object to it. A partnership of which the Executor is a party CANNOT support nor object to

DIS: Re: BUS: Various judicial actions

2008-07-02 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: 2019a: I intend, with the support of comex and cdm014, to cause the panel to judge REASSIGN, on the grounds that the judge was presumably unaware that the currently-registered Human Point Two is the same partnership that was previously awarded a Patent Title. This is overdue.

DIS: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-07-02 Thread Quazie
== CFJ 2040 == If a partnership is party to another contract, individual members of the contract may be required, by an equity settlement involving the second contract, to be parties to the settlement, even if the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-02 Thread ihope
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Place X, if I buy a chocolate bar I must buy an ice cream cone, and if I buy an ice cream cone I must buy a chocolate bar. Therefore, the chocolate bar and the ice cream cone together are one item. They're two separate

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2032 judged FALSE by woggle

2008-07-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:58 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm obligating myself to give everyone who has not participated in the fora since April 29 a D note. This is equivalent to giving everyone a D note and then penalizing people D notes for participating in the fora. However, by rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2032 judged FALSE by woggle

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:58 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm obligating myself to give everyone who has not participated in the fora since April 29 a D note. This is equivalent to giving everyone a D note and then penalizing people D notes for participating in the fora. No, because you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:03 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Place X, if I buy a chocolate bar I must buy an ice cream cone, and if I buy an ice cream cone I must buy a chocolate bar. Therefore, the chocolate bar and the

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals!

2008-07-02 Thread ihope
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any member of the species Homo sapiens, past or present, is a person Why do you say member of the species Homo sapiens rather than human? The latter is over 5 times as short counting by syllables, words, letters, characters, or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you care about a different abstract level than those who agree to the Hands; I expect that most of their parties care that they be treated as separate contracts. What matters is how the rules view it, not the parties.

DIS: Re: BUS: Enough hypothetical rights cases

2008-07-02 Thread ihope
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Create the following Rule, Standing for Rights, power 1.8: If an inquiry case purports that an interpretation of Agoran Law may abridge, reduce, limit, or remove a defined Right, but the CFJ statement does not refer

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2040-42 assigned to Quazie

2008-07-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: comex wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For this CFJ I judge TRUE. This CFJ I find to be TRUE I find this CFJ to be TRUE. I intend to appeal all of these (well, the TTttPF versions) with 2 support. Being a party to an equation is not

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-02 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mill 4 + 8 = 2. Fails. This would yield a 1 crop. I mill 4 - 4 = 0. And this would yield an X crop (don't forgetbase 11 arithmetic). I harvest 2054, the number of a recently called CFJ, for 2 WRVs. Fails due to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruling in CFJ 2026

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:57 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Hands have generally been treated as separate contracts, and now, because they have clauses excluding people from each if they're not a party to the other, you say that each Hand is an arbitrary subset? Yes. You say that to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-07-02 Thread Ben Caplan
Sounds good for the sell side, but I'd still like to see I buy up to X VP worth of votes in the obvious optimal fashion refactored as well. Not quite sure how to make that one work. Care to take a stab at it? I'm not sure about auto-optimization, but the current contract text supports a

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Quick, we have but a second....

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I post the following Sell Ticket: * Action: Transfer all my current lands, crops, and WRV to the filler of this ticket. * Cost: AUCTION For reference: FARMER 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X WRV

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Quick, we have but a second....

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I post the following Sell Ticket: * Action: Transfer all my current lands, crops, and WRV to the filler of this ticket. * Cost: AUCTION For reference:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This strikes me as not within the spirit of the game of Werewolf. Wolves need to be able to lie with impunity. See who fears information getting out. I propose to lynch Pavitra. This is an entirely rational (though misguided)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, I will be voting not to lynch (I've already announced who I think the wolves are). Oh, apparently the voting period has now begun. I do hereby inform the contestmaster that I vote not to lynch Pavitra.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-07-02 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/3 Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: After you kill me and find out I'm a townsperson, I suggest you lynch ehird. You seem pretty resigned to your death, eh? And all you can do upon it is suggest to lynch me... Very interesting! ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-02 Thread Taral
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mill 4 - 4 = 0. And this would yield an X crop (don't forgetbase 11 arithmetic). No, 4 - 4 is 0, in any base arithmetic. -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. --

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Some players are more equal than others

2008-07-02 Thread Nick Vanderweit
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I retract my previous proposal with this title. (I forgot to update caste initialization to match Ivan Hope's non-linear scale.) Proposal: Some players are more equal than others (AI = 2, II = 2, please) OscarMeyr and Ivan

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Some players are more equal than others

2008-07-02 Thread Quazie
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Promotions. At each step, the Grand Poobah SHALL choose a player whose caste is as high as possible without equalling or exceeding the new caste: a) Flip a player's caste to Alpha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Some players are more equal than others

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Promotions. At each step, the Grand Poobah SHALL choose a player whose caste is as high as possible without equalling or exceeding

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Some players are more equal than others

2008-07-02 Thread Quazie
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Promotions. At each step, the Grand Poobah SHALL choose a player whose

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on excess CFJs

2008-07-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On 7/2/08, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I call a inquiry CFJ on the following statement: The CotC MAY NOT refuse cases based on cases being excess as defined by Rule 2175 Evidence: Rule 101(iii) gives all persons the right to initiate a formal process to resolve matters of controversy,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Some players are more equal than others

2008-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah-ha, also, should this be random? If not the Grand Poobah has LOTS of power, and can propmite only those E thinks deserves it. If this is the intention, then I'm not sure if I support it. E can be replaced if necessary. Also,

DIS: Re: BUS: Does anyone else want to trade these assets?

2008-07-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit the following proposal AI = 2 ii = 1 entitled Time to trade notes --- Remove the word 'fixed' from the first paragraph of R2126 --- If you're going to do this, you should also get rid of a note spending method. -woggle

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2032 judged FALSE by woggle

2008-07-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On 7/2/08, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I'm obligating myself to give everyone who has not participated in the fora since April 29 a D note. This is equivalent to giving everyone a D note and then penalizing people D notes for participating in the fora. However, by rule 101,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Some players are more equal than others

2008-07-02 Thread Quazie
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah-ha, also, should this be random? If not the Grand Poobah has LOTS of power, and can propmite only those E thinks deserves it. If this is the intention, then

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Some players are more equal than others

2008-07-02 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would still prefer Randomness in this if possible. And I'd prefer to have a bribable Grand Poobah. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, 4 - 4 is 0, in any base arithmetic. Oops... But not in binary :) If you're using a 4 in your binary, you're probably doing something horribly wrong.

DIS: Proposal mania

2008-07-02 Thread Taral
Too many proposals. I'm as likely as anything to vote against them all instead of reading them. -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Some players are more equal than others

2008-07-02 Thread Ed Murphy
avpx wrote: I do like this idea, though I still don't see why someone who is an Alpha gets set to their default caste. . . It seems like they should just be demoted to a Beta rather than demoted to an Epsilon or Savage. To create tension between keeping your caste fairly high (more votes now)

Re: DIS: Proposal mania

2008-07-02 Thread Quazie
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too many proposals. I'm as likely as anything to vote against them all instead of reading them. -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown Why not PRESENT on all of