Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Player Registration

Been looking for something like this ever since summer camp, we had a similar "game". I've also seen alot of this Nomic around. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Elliott Hird < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/09/2008, Dvorak Herring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I formally announce that I regist

DIS: Re: BUS: New Player Registration

On 10/09/2008, Dvorak Herring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I formally announce that I register under Rule 869. > > -- > Dvorak Herring > Hi! What brings you here?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Renewal

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:15 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 16:03 -0400, ihope wrote: >> I agree to all contracts I am currently a party to. > I can't figure out what this does, if anything. Would someone care to > help me out? See CFJ 2077. --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: R104

On Sep 9, 2008, at 12:47 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyway, it's kind of a tradition, like going back in time to kill Hitler. So the moral of the story then is that those who attempt t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Question: under this system, once I've got the title, do I have much > (political) incentive to try and win it again? -G. Yes. Winning makes you the Speaker, which lets you allot the prerogatives. Anyone who wants prerogat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > I would support that. I had forgotten that you were working on it. Heh. "working" means "I really should go back and look at the comments people made on that proto one day." Honestly due to RL probably won't happen this week, maybe next. -goethe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > Also, for the record, there are currently 25 active players, 9 of whom > hold the title Champion. If you want to restrict that to first-class > players, then the numbers become 17 and 8. Question: under this system, once I've got the title, do I have much

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > root, > > I've been meaning for some time to finish my proto that turned prerogatives > back into cards, just not getting around to it: > > http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2008-July/012627.html

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Um, I don't like this. So many of us hold the title you might as >> well just make it "award it to Senators". -Goethe > > If we just remove the randomization, then the Speaker gets to assign > prerogatives as e pleases, but e

DIS: Re: BUS: Renewal

On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 16:03 -0400, ihope wrote: > I agree to all contracts I am currently a party to. I can't figure out what this does, if anything. Would someone care to help me out? -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I submit the following proposal titled "Ministering the Speaker" (AI=2): root, I've been meaning for some time to finish my proto that turned prerogatives back into cards, just not gett

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: >> In a timely fashion before the beginning of each month, the >> Speaker SHALL assign to each of as many active players who bear >> the patent title Champion as possible a

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > In a timely fashion before the beginning of each month, the > Speaker SHALL assign to each of as many active players who bear > the patent title Champion as possible a different Prerogative > for the upcoming month by announcement. Um, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> One thought: if one is really worried about a stalemate being set up >> (e.g. constant vetoing or whatever) one limit might be "same person can't >> hold same prerogative twice in a ro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 17:21 -0400, comex wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> One thought: if one is really worried about a stalemate being set up > >> (e.g. constant vetoing or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:21 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We might also just reduce the power of the veto. As I recall, it >> wasn't always so absolute. > > I would be surprised if, in the face of a rampantly vetoing Speaker, > the rest of the Agorans couldn't muster the strength to pass

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> One thought: if one is really worried about a stalemate being set up >> (e.g. constant vetoing or whatever) one limit might be "same person can't >> hold

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:50 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 14:38 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > As it stands, Goethe's proposal would interfere with mine. I retract >> > the above proposal and subm

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 14:38 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As it stands, Goethe's proposal would interfere with mine. I retract > > the above proposal and submit the following revision: > > For clarity, I retract the proposal sub

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One thought: if one is really worried about a stalemate being set up > (e.g. constant vetoing or whatever) one limit might be "same person can't > hold same prerogative twice in a row". Though I personally think that's > ove

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: >>> prerogative (still randomly selected, however)? >> >> Why on earth does it need to be random? Veto, Rubberstamp, justice >> position, and va

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: >> prerogative (still randomly selected, however)? > > Why on earth does it need to be random? Veto, Rubberstamp, justice > position, and vacant-office holding used to belong to the Spea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > prerogative (still randomly selected, however)? Why on earth does it need to be random? Veto, Rubberstamp, justice position, and vacant-office holding used to belong to the Speaker *wholly* as a set of powers and wasn't really scammed in my memory, so sur

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 12:50 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008, ais523 wrote: >> >> Dice rolls requested by: ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Does anyone else find it utterly silly that the Speaker, which is supposed >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 12:50 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sat, 6 Sep 2008, ais523 wrote: > >> Dice rolls requested by: ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Does anyone else find it utterly silly that the Speaker, which is supposed > to be a *prize*, has to award things randomly and is a mere functionar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:11 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:46 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Nobody's a person unless the rules say so. What rule says Randy Pausch >> is a person? > > E could have informed emself about the Agoran ruleset prior to death, >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The first game

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, comex wrote: > But what about in the context of Rule 2193? As a new amendment, ought > we to let it use archaisms? Or should we interpret "the first game" > as, just, "the game"? Actually, I'm going to contradict myself. R104 was never altered, therefore the referent of "th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The first game

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, comex wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> comex wrote: >>> Are we in the first game, or the (number of >>> game wins + 1)th game? >> >> The way Agora has been structured since ?1995, there is no "Nth game", >> w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:46 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nobody's a person unless the rules say so. What rule says Randy Pausch > is a person? E could have informed emself about the Agoran ruleset prior to death, then scheduled emails to be sent on eir behalf at some point thereafter.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The first game

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > comex wrote: >> Are we in the first game, or the (number of >>game wins + 1)th game? > > The way Agora has been structured since ?1995, there is no "Nth game", > we're in just "the game". The phrase "the f

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: R104

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Anyway, it's kind of a tradition, like going back in time to kill Hitler. > > So the moral of the story then is that those who attempt to change > history are doomed to repeat it? I w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: R104

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, it's kind of a tradition, like going back in time to kill Hitler. So the moral of the story then is that those who attempt to change history are doomed to repeat it? -root

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: R104

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, ihope wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Proposal, AI=3, "The First Speaker": >> Amend Rule 104 to read: >> >> The Speaker for the first game was Michael Norrish. >> >> E shall forever be known as First Spea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2108 assigned to Wooble

Ivan Hope wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: == Equity Case 2108 ==

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2108 assigned to Wooble

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> == Equity Case 2108 == >>

DIS: Re: BUS: R104

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proposal, AI=3, "The First Speaker": > Amend Rule 104 to read: > > The Speaker for the first game was Michael Norrish. > > E shall forever be known as First Speaker Michael. If I'm not mistaken, rule 10

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DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2108 assigned to Wooble

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> == Equity Case 2108 == >> >>Ivan Hope has failed to increase eir VP holdings above 50 within >>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2107b assigned to OscarMeyr, Murphy, root

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:24 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't think I made any commentary to agora-business (check >> agora-discussion archives for my brief old considerings). But >> basically, the record in 21

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The first game

comex wrote: > Are we in the first game, or the (number of >game wins + 1)th game? The way Agora has been structured since ?1995, there is no "Nth game", we're in just "the game". The phrase "the first game", in the context of R104, has a special meaning, though: it refer

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Mad Scientist] Building the Monster

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Therefore, no matter which noun you replace, you get in effect the same > result. Michael for Monster!!! :) Well, with either of the interpretations that makes Michael actually the Monster (as opposed to eir Speaker), ais52

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The first game

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:19 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Gratuitous argument on the second CFJ: See the most recent self-ratified >> IADoP's report. (The report of 26 Aug 2008 listed pikhq as Speaker, who >> self-evidently is not Michael Norrish.) > > Yes, but "shall be" and "is" are q

DIS: Re: BUS: The first game

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gratuitous argument on the second CFJ: See the most recent self-ratified > IADoP's report. (The report of 26 Aug 2008 listed pikhq as Speaker, who > self-evidently is not Michael Norrish.) The IADoP's report doesn't se

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Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Mad Scientist] Building the Monster

On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > tusho wrote: > >> On 09/09/2008, Michael Norrish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Kerim Aydin wrote: Therefore, no matter which noun you replace, you get in effect the same result. Michael for Monster!!! :) >>> Err, woot! >>> >>> Michael - someone b