Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: sheer cruelty (and lots of points)

2008-11-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I retract all my votes on Proposals 5842-5941, and I vote FOR each of them. Do you really think an equity judgment in the Artistry contract would be worse than rewarding that spamathon? comex has blatantly ignored eir

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5841-5941

2008-11-06 Thread Joshua Boehme
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:33:10 -0700 Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I CFJ on the statement, The proposal submitted by root at or around Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:03:48 UTC has been distributed. Arguments: The proposal was submitted with this title: {{{ 2001 A Space

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2246 assigned to ais523

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 03:08, Roger Hicks wrote: Whatever the case, I think Wooble and ehird's mousetrap was perfectly fair. Perhaps the mousetrapped should have their CFJ rights preserved (including equity) but beyond that I hold myself responsible for not better monitoring the Protection Racket's

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 06:46, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend to leave the Protection Racket agreement. I transfer 50 coins to BobTHJ. And if that failed, I PBA-deposit an X crop and then transfer 50

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 15:11, Roger Hicks wrote: otherwise I'm not sure if this multiple recordkeepor's thing is going to work. I don't recall advocating it, either. On 6 Nov 2008, at 15:11, Roger Hicks wrote: (NOTE: Ignore Wooble's transaction on my automated log. I entered it, but it won't

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 08:11, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 06:46, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend to leave the Protection Racket agreement. I transfer 50 coins to BobTHJ.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 15:18, Roger Hicks wrote: Evidence - Wooble's first four transactions with the PBA (copied from the current PBA log). According to the log, I have noted the number of coins Wooble would have after each transaction: 2008-10-15 15:29 -- Wooble joins. 2008-10-15 15:29 -- Wooble

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 15:37, Roger Hicks wrote: I'm not sure either. Can we ratify the gamestate of the PBA to what my report would show at 00:00 on Nov 6 (just prior to Wooble's most recent transaction)? Then you can use whatever policy you wish going forward (there should be no further direct

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 08:23, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm. That is weird indeed. See, this should work fine: the RBoA transactions are liberal but the rest are conservative, just like it's always been: if target == 'RBoA': while comrades[person] amount:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 08:18, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Nov 2008, at 15:11, Roger Hicks wrote: I believe it is the conflict of the PBA's exactness-requirements and the RBoA's looseness. Perhaps the RBoA policy could change to require exactness for cases like these? IMO,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 08:51, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Nov 2008, at 15:42, Roger Hicks wrote: With the support of the people, I intend to ratify the coin holdings and PBA exchange rates as of Nov 6 2008 00:01 (just after the daily exchange rate change) as follows: Um, you

DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread comex
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I support. With two support, I call an Emergency Session. I intend to filibuster proposals 5842-5941 with two support. I object. The Emergency Rule exists to prevent Invasion; but we are not being invaded. Merely minorly

Re: DIS: [Fwd: RE: Proposal: Expanded foreign relations]

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message From: Tristan Glark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: Proposal: Expanded foreign relations Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:29:44 + Thank you for your

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:28 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I support. With two support, I call an Emergency Session. I intend to filibuster proposals 5842-5941 with two support. I object. The Emergency Rule exists to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, comex wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I support. With two support, I call an Emergency Session. I intend to filibuster proposals 5842-5941 with two support. I object. The Emergency Rule exists to prevent Invasion; but we are

DIS: [Fwd: RE: Proposal: Expanded foreign relations]

2008-11-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Original Message From: Tristan Glark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: Proposal: Expanded foreign relations Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:29:44 + Thank you for your interest in the Aerican Empire. Having reviewed all information available to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 16:21, Roger Hicks wrote: A contract should be able to ratify its own internal gamestate using whatever method it desires. However, if you think you can fix whatever bug is causing this issue then I'll wait. Yes, it was a knock-on effect of fixing a previous bug. Oops...

DIS: Re: BUS: Now *this* is a futures market

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 17:01, Ed Murphy wrote: For the purpose of this message, to flip a Credit is to perform the following actions if and only if it would result in a net increase in my Coin holdings: 1) RBoA-withdraw a Credit of that pitch 2) PBA-deposit that Credit 3) RBoA-deposit the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:06, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Nov 2008, at 16:21, Roger Hicks wrote: A contract should be able to ratify its own internal gamestate using whatever method it desires. However, if you think you can fix whatever bug is causing this issue then I'll wait.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Now *this* is a futures market

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:09, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Nov 2008, at 17:01, Ed Murphy wrote: For the purpose of this message, to flip a Credit is to perform the following actions if and only if it would result in a net increase in my Coin holdings: 1) RBoA-withdraw a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 17:15, Roger Hicks wrote: The AAA has treated this withdraw as a success since 10/22, so for you to change it now would require a complete re-calculation of the AAA, and subsequently the RBOA, and subsequently Vote Market, PRS, Note Exchange, etc. Here I was thinking

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Now *this* is a futures market

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 17:18, Roger Hicks wrote: I'm in agreement. This is a pain to work out from an automation perspective. Shoulda used Prolog. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 17:18, Elliott Hird wrote: Here I was thinking automated systems are good because they can handle knock-on effects. It's why I wrote mine, after all. Worth noting: It's not even a change of policy. It's just the fixing of a bug that would have given Wooble something e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Now *this* is a futures market

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 17:09, Elliott Hird wrote: Unless you can give me a reasonable argument for this to be accepted I'm treating it as ineffective for not being clearly specified enough because if I allow unrestricted conditionals that would allow people to condition on turing complete or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:38, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Nov 2008, at 17:18, Elliott Hird wrote: Here I was thinking automated systems are good because they can handle knock-on effects. It's why I wrote mine, after all. Worth noting: It's not even a change of policy. It's

Re: DIS: [Fwd: RE: Proposal: Expanded foreign relations]

2008-11-06 Thread Taral
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) You state quite clearly on your site that you are a game which acts like a nation. The Empire, not being a game, does not see how we could recognise you as an equivalent state or nation. Not a game? Could have fooled me...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Now *this* is a futures market

2008-11-06 Thread Taral
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shoulda used Prolog. Did you? -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: sheer cruelty (and lots of points)

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Nov 2008, at 01:13, Ian Kelly wrote: I object to all dependent actions that were buried in comex's message titled sheer cruelty (and lots of points). There are none, as far as I can tell. Same here. I ran it

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2246 assigned to ais523

2008-11-06 Thread Taral
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I transfer 5VP to Taral You too, Taral. Bah, hardly. I have significant investments at stake. -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Now *this* is a futures market

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 18:14, Taral wrote: Did you? Y- no. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Now *this* is a futures market

2008-11-06 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: On 6 Nov 2008, at 17:01, Ed Murphy wrote: For the purpose of this message, to flip a Credit is to perform the following actions if and only if it would result in a net increase in my Coin holdings: 1) RBoA-withdraw a Credit of that pitch 2) PBA-deposit that Credit 3)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: 1. We need a unified gamestate, and we honestly can't afford to wait for a four-day without objection ratification process to complete. We need to decide on something and sync things up today, then ratify that. Proto-proto: Velocity is a contract switch, tracked by the Notary,

DIS: Platonic PBA

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
Proto: Failing transactions that are not noticed quickly enough still affect rates coin count, but you SHALL NOT do them. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5833-5840

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGAINST, very much so. There are probably private pledges that existed decades ago which I've never seen, that were published, and never technically ended. This would force me to track them. Pledges have only existed since

DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:31 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And with necessary support, I filibuster 5842-5941. I intend, with 4 supporting senators, to end these filibusters. I post the following Sell Ticket: * Cost: 15 VP

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:40 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:31 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And with necessary support, I filibuster

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 19:44 +, Alex Smith wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:40 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:31 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:52 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: I agree to the following pledge/contract if ehird also does: { 1. The name of this pledge / contract is the InterBank Reconciliation Agreement 2. Upon the inception of this agreement, BobTHJ SHALL modify eir PBA report to reflect the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: protection

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:54, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:52 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: I agree to the following pledge/contract if ehird also does: { 1. The name of this pledge / contract is the InterBank Reconciliation Agreement 2. Upon the inception of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:31 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And with necessary support, I filibuster 5842-5941. I intend, with 4 supporting senators, to end

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: My point is: the filibuster rule is not a dependent action, according to rule 1728. Therefore, if it works at all, it works due to the ordinary English meaning of what it says. with 2 supporting Senators is with 2 supporting Senators, no firstclassness

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is: the filibuster rule is not a dependent action, according to rule 1728. Therefore, if it works at all, it works due to the ordinary English meaning of what it says. with 2 supporting Senators is with 2 supporting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:11 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: My point is: the filibuster rule is not a dependent action, according to rule 1728. Therefore, if it works at all, it works due to the ordinary English meaning of what it says. with 2 supporting

DIS: Re: BUS: [PBA] Coinkeepor's report

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:56, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All times in UTC. Last update: 2008-11-06 19:55 My PBA report is now in sync with yours. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Now *this* is a futures market

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:31, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless you can give me a reasonable argument for this to be accepted I'm treating it as ineffective for not being clearly specified enough because if I allow unrestricted conditionals that would allow people to condition on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, the fact it says with 2 supporting Senators not with 2 Senate Support is further evidence that it works that way; senate Support would have been a much more sensible wording. A difference in ... grammar ... is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Taral
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no more an ambiguity in meaning here than there is when somebody announces I go on hold as opposed to I perform the action 'to go on old'. Upon further reflection, I don't think any of these interpretations fixes

DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend, with 4 supporting senators, to end these filibusters. Eh, why not? It's just points. I support all of these intents. It's 1000 points per week...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: As for the rules, the rules are the rules, and less flexible than contracts. And this is in those Rules: (1) A difference in spelling, grammar, or dialect, or the use of a synonym or abbreviation in place of a word or phrase, is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Taral
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's 1000 points per week... So points reset every week until it's fixed by a proposal. Problem? -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Taral wrote: Upon further reflection, I don't think any of these interpretations fixes anything. The default is with N first-class player supports. This is with N Senator supports. Still allows second-class support. R2124 makes non-first-class players incapable of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no more an ambiguity in meaning here than there is when somebody announces I go on hold as opposed to I perform the action 'to go on old'. Upon further

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 20:28, Roger Hicks wrote: I resolve the above Bank Motion. APPROVE BobTHJ (2234) Taral (2224) DISAPPROVE none I hereby remove the RBOA's rate for Coins. Umm... So much for that email I sent you. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Taral wrote: Upon further reflection, I don't think any of these interpretations fixes anything. The default is with N first-class player supports. This is with N Senator supports. Still allows

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Taral wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's 1000 points per week... So points reset every week until it's fixed by a proposal. Problem? Not really. (unless you're doing all that trading, massive devaluation?) but we might as well

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: R2124 makes non-first-class players incapable of giving/expressing support. Strangely enough, they can still perform the action, they just can't be supporters of it. -Goethe There may be cases when non-first-class players need to be able to perform

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:45 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Taral wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's 1000 points per week... So points reset every week until it's fixed by a proposal. Problem? Not really. (unless you're doing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Taral wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Winning is too easy right now. It's boring (again IMO). Temporary setback. Patience is advised. This game has been running for a lng time. Oh I know, but it's run a long time due to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 13:09 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Taral wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Winning is too easy right now. It's boring (again IMO). Temporary setback. Patience is advised. This game has been running for a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 13:43, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Nov 2008, at 20:28, Roger Hicks wrote: I resolve the above Bank Motion. APPROVE BobTHJ (2234) Taral (2224) DISAPPROVE none I hereby remove the RBOA's rate for Coins. Umm... So much for that email I sent you.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Taral
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Winning is too easy right now. It's boring (again IMO). Temporary setback. Patience is advised. This game has been running for a lng time. -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: I think what actually happened is that wins by points became a lot more common when I started trying for them; presumably, they would have become a lot more common if someone else had started trying for them, too. I think after all this time it's not the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: I suggest you cut down the max point limits on contests, probably the easiest way. The problem is that until a while back, nobody had won by points for ages, and all the contests doubled or quadrupled their scoring, so points are plentiful nowadays.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread comex
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't fix the fact that the scams I'm talking about are from manipulating the contracts themselves, not from within-legitimate contest points awards. For the latter, I don't begrudge any wins certainly. Oh don't I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 13:22 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: I suggest you cut down the max point limits on contests, probably the easiest way. The problem is that until a while back, nobody had won by points for ages, and all the contests doubled or

DIS: Re: BUS: Points Award (automated)

2008-11-06 Thread Elliott Hird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 21:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Per the AAA agreement, I attempt to award 4 points to Taral pls to be condensing into single message -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Taral
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest you cut down the max point limits on contests Wasn't part of it that we were in Overtime? -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Points Award (automated)

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 14:30, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Nov 2008, at 21:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Per the AAA agreement, I attempt to award 4 points to Taral pls to be condensing into single message Planning on it, just haven't had the chance yet. Also planning on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: There's a scam win by points which is still subject to CFJ (CFJ 2213, you're assigned to it btw) too. Oh, you lose. ;P.

DIS: CFJ 2213 proto

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
[H. CotC, I may be a little late in judging this but I intend to later by tomorrow after comments.] The caller's argument hinges on the definition of action, however there is another consideration. R2192 says in part The Mad Scientist CAN act on behalf of the Monster to take any action that

Re: DIS: CFJ 2213 proto

2008-11-06 Thread comex
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [It's also possible to base this on an existence argument: What is a Rule? In the most Platonic basic sense, a Rule is its text. If a Rule's text doesn't say it may do something, doing that something is not part of its

DIS: Re: BUS: Mass partnership support bug

2008-11-06 Thread comex
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:06 PM, The PerlNomic Partnership [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PNP supports all current intents to end a filibuster. Note that this was only sent now for timing reasons. I'd much prefer if one more real person supported this.

DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Complex scoring (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2179 (Points) to read: For each point axis: a) axis Points is a fixed currency. b) A player's axis coordinate is the number of axis points e owns. There are two point axes, X and Y. A player's

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: contesting

2008-11-06 Thread Pavitra
On Thursday 06 November 2008 12:39:25 pm Geoffrey Spear wrote: I CFJ on the following statement: A passed proposal CAN flip a switch to a value to which, by rule, the switch CANNOT be flipped. trivially true, could be power difference

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 15:51, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proto-Proposal: Complex scoring (AI = 2, please) A little help for those of us who haven't looked at imaginary numbers since high school. I recall that sqrt(-1) = i, but how do you calculate sqrt(-p)? BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 16:08 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 15:51, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proto-Proposal: Complex scoring (AI = 2, please) A little help for those of us who haven't looked at imaginary numbers since high school. I recall that sqrt(-1) = i, but

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 23:10 +, Alex Smith wrote: sqrt(ab) = sqrt(a*b) This should say sqrt(a*b) = sqrt(a)*sqrt(b). -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Expanded foreign relations

2008-11-06 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: Proposal: Expanded foreign relations Before proceeding further with this effort, I should point out that I am not Agora's Ambassador (Rule 2148 prohibits false claims on this topic). That office is currently held by the PerlNomic Partnership, a legal person whose charter can be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: contesting

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Pavitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 06 November 2008 12:39:25 pm Geoffrey Spear wrote: I CFJ on the following statement: A passed proposal CAN flip a switch to a value to which, by rule, the switch CANNOT be flipped. trivially true, could be power

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Expanded foreign relations

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Pavitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In recognition of the recent and mostly-successful export of the Monster to B Nomic, and in order to further enable trade relations with B, the Recognition of B Nomic is hereby flipped to Friendly. Not until they repeal Agoran

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: contesting

2008-11-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: On Thursday 06 November 2008 12:39:25 pm Geoffrey Spear wrote: I CFJ on the following statement: A passed proposal CAN flip a switch to a value to which, by rule, the switch CANNOT be flipped. trivially true, could be power difference While sufficiently powerful proposals

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
2008/11/6 Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 23:10 +, Alex Smith wrote: sqrt(ab) = sqrt(a*b) This should say sqrt(a*b) = sqrt(a)*sqrt(b). -- Got it. So then, what is the absolute value of a complex number? BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For each point axis, the total number of axis points a contest CAN award in a given week is equal to 2 times the number of its members that are first-class players. axis points up to this total CAN be

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/6 Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 23:10 +, Alex Smith wrote: sqrt(ab) = sqrt(a*b) This should say sqrt(a*b) = sqrt(a)*sqrt(b). -- Got it. So then, what is the absolute value of a complex

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 16:20 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: 2008/11/6 Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 23:10 +, Alex Smith wrote: sqrt(ab) = sqrt(a*b) This should say sqrt(a*b) = sqrt(a)*sqrt(b). -- Got it. So then, what is the absolute value of a complex number? The

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For each point axis, the total number of axis points a contest CAN award in a given week is equal to 2 times the number of its members that are

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Sgeo
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For each point axis, the total number of axis points a contest CAN award in a given week is equal to 2 times the number of its members that are

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 16:22, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/6 Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 23:10 +, Alex Smith wrote: sqrt(ab) = sqrt(a*b) This should say sqrt(a*b) = sqrt(a)*sqrt(b).

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, should wins in such a system be based on absolute value, or do players have to win completely in one axis? Using absolute value, a win in one axis requires 100 points in that axis, but a balanced win in both axes is

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Sgeo
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, should wins in such a system be based on absolute value, or do players have to win completely in one axis? Using absolute value, a win in one axis requires

Re: DIS: CFJ 2213 proto

2008-11-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, comex wrote: I proto-intend to appeal this judgement with 2 support, because it is not Agoran custom to sandbox rules like this. Also, eir two arguments are in conflict: if one Rule specifically permits someone to cause another Rule (which itself is silent) to effect Rule

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, should wins in such a system be based on absolute value, or do players have to win completely in

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Sgeo
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, should wins in such a system

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upon a win announcement that one or more players have a score whose absolute value is at least 100 (specifying all such players), all those players satisfy the Winning Condition of High Score. Another

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So perhaps the criterion should be something like, for a score of a + bi, a 0 b = 2500/a. Which can of course be written more prettily as simply a * b = 2500. -root

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 16:40, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant that each contest would be associated with one (or more) of the defined axes, not that each contest would have its own unique axis. Not to be a spoilsport on the complex numbers thing, but if you are going to do the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Random Crop Creation (automated)

2008-11-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 16:25, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 15:28 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I create the following crops in ais523's possession: 9, 1, 0, 4, 7, 7, 0, X The online AAA report doesn't seem to have recorded the crops on the list at the top,

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 16:40, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant that each contest would be associated with one (or more) of the defined axes, not that each contest would have its own unique axis. Not to be a

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed that bit when I skimmed the proto. I agree that would inflate too rapidly -- with the current score index, a player with no points would win in four weeks without even doing anything. Er, non-real score. So the above

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Expanded foreign relations

2008-11-06 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Pavitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In recognition of the recent and mostly-successful export of the Monster to B Nomic, and in order to further enable trade relations with B, the Recognition of B Nomic is hereby flipped to Friendly. Not until they

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