Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Charles Reiss wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 22:44, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 23:32, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I'd expect in this form given that expecting people to know how to program usually isn't considered

DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-11-26 Thread Joshua Boehme
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:59:44 + Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CFJ: The PRS is a contest Arguments: Wooble neat, PRS isn't a contest; Notary is recordkeepor of contestmasters so ratifying the Scorekeepor report didn't make it a contest. Wooble and since the Scorekeepor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-11-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Nov 2008, at 12:12, Joshua Boehme wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:59:44 + Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CFJ: The PRS is a contest Arguments: Wooble neat, PRS isn't a contest; Notary is recordkeepor of contestmasters so ratifying the Scorekeepor report didn't make it a

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5985-5990

2008-11-26 Thread Alexander Smith
Murphy wrote: Again, bring back Infractions. (Yes, ais523's proto, but that brings up another issue that was observed several years back: one way to delay progress in a given area is to float a proto and then fail to submit it as a proposal.) Sorry, I've been busy recently. Someone else feel

DIS: RE: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-11-26 Thread Alexander Smith
Elysion wrote: Since I wasn't in on the discussion, could someone provide the context, please? Why do we think the PRS is not a contest? (I just looked at a Notary's report, which says it is a contest.) It was decontestified by mistake when a Notary's Report listing it as not a contest was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-11-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:39, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bobthj scammed it as a contest by ratifying scorekeepor's report. Except... see wooble's quote. Arguments: The PRS was a contest for quite some time before it ceased to be one due to a ratification error on the Notary

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS

2008-11-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Joshua Boehme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I wasn't in on the discussion, could someone provide the context, please? That was all of the context, and I was incorrect. The contestmaster switch is tracked by the Notary, but the list of contestmasters is part

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auction

2008-11-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Nov 2008, at 04:46, Pavitra wrote: On Tuesday 25 November 2008 01:27:59 pm Elliott Hird wrote: time, unless the winner has transferred the VP to him. Y'know, you B players really need to get used to the way we use pronouns around here. I started playing B much after Agora. I do not

DIS: Re: BUS: Z

2008-11-26 Thread comex
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zotting a CFJ means intending to appeal a CFJ, acting on behalf of every party to the Z house to support, and appealing it. FWIW, I won't join because of this bit. Criminal cases may be underused, but appeal cases are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auction

2008-11-26 Thread comex
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started playing B much after Agora. I do not like Spivak. Funny, I started playing B much before Agora. When it used Spivak.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2287 assigned to comex

2008-11-26 Thread comex
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Nov 2008, at 15:43, comex wrote: Which is correct is up to ais523 surely it'd be up to the notary? CFJ: The Vote Market exists ais523 is the judge of CFJ 2288, a recent case of yours, identical to the one you just

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Jamie Dallaire
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:25 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think these are big enough cons, you really want round-robin multiple rounds. I don't think you have to worry too much about assembly, etc., you're probably offering enough diversity if you offer a small range of

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 09:26, Jamie Dallaire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I was wrong in my assumption, then, that you could compile a program written in essentially any language into some sort of executable file that could be run anywhere? I can in my preferred language of choice. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Nov 2008, at 16:26, Jamie Dallaire wrote: So, I was wrong in my assumption, then, that you could compile a program written in essentially any language into some sort of executable file that could be run anywhere? llvm, java, etc... Pick yer poison.

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Nov 2008, at 16:30, Roger Hicks wrote: I can in my preferred language of choice. VB.Net, right? Does everywhere include non-Windows systems?

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Jamie Dallaire
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Nov 2008, at 16:30, Roger Hicks wrote: I can in my preferred language of choice. VB.Net, right? Does everywhere include non-Windows systems? Heh it definitely should. I'm on linux here and just can't imagine

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread comex
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Nov 2008, at 16:30, Roger Hicks wrote: I can in my preferred language of choice. VB.Net, right? Does everywhere include non-Windows systems? mono

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Nov 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: I believe that Mono is the .NET library ported to unix based systems. I could be wrong however. Yes, but you can't use a Windows binary. And revealing source would damage the contest, if I understand it.

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but you can't use a Windows binary. And revealing source would damage the contest, if I understand it. Presumably everyone using a scripting language would reveal the source to the contestmaster anyway.

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: On 26 Nov 2008, at 16:26, Jamie Dallaire wrote: So, I was wrong in my assumption, then, that you could compile a program written in essentially any language into some sort of executable file that could be run anywhere? llvm, java, etc... Pick

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:15, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Nov 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: I believe that Mono is the .NET library ported to unix based systems. I could be wrong however. Yes, but you can't use a Windows binary. And revealing source would damage the

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 09:15, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Nov 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: I believe that Mono is the .NET library ported to unix based systems. I could be wrong however. Yes, but you can't use a Windows binary. And revealing source would damage the

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
While we're debating executables for this, I thought I'd raise another issue: scoring. One of the features of cooperation experiments is that, rationally, how well your opponent does shouldn't affect you. For example, if your opponent offers you $1 and keeps $19, the point of the game is that

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread comex
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would prefer the source be available for a post-mortem. For source submissions, probably the best scheme would be for people to send the source to a discreet contestmaster. Concur. A dishonest contestmaster could just

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, comex wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would prefer the source be available for a post-mortem. For source submissions, probably the best scheme would be for people to send the source to a discreet contestmaster. Concur.

DIS: Infractions, Contract reforms

2008-11-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
ais523 or others: Can you point me to latest drafts of infraction reforms and also your contract reforms (hierarchy of types of enforceable contracts IIRC)? Happy to take a round as a coauthor for next drafts but I wasn't following earlier discussions fully... -Goethe

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Jamie Dallaire
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, comex wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would prefer the source be available for a post-mortem. For source submissions, probably the best scheme

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Jamie Dallaire
I agree entirely. My initial proposal was to score according to totals, not to win differentials, though I may not have expressed that clearly. i.e. it's better to cooperate and get minorly exploited than to get locked into a cycle of retaliation where hardly anyone gets any points in the entire

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread comex
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Jamie Dallaire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since how my program interacts with Kerim's program won't have any impact on whether or not Kerim's program chooses to cooperate with root's, Allow each script to know the name of the author of the other! Would be so

DIS: Advance warning of confusion and delay

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Murphy
My home net access cut out last night, I think due to weather. If it's still out when I leave the office, then I'll be offline until it gets fixed.

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Billy Pilgrim wrote: Heh it definitely should. I'm on linux here and just can't imagine that all these nomic players are running xp/vista... I process e-mail from XP, but my server runs Linux (Red Hat 9, because it was pre-installed and I dare not risk breaking it).

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Jamie Dallaire
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy Pilgrim wrote: Heh it definitely should. I'm on linux here and just can't imagine that all these nomic players are running xp/vista... I process e-mail from XP, but my server runs Linux (Red Hat 9, because it was

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Remove power-1 scams

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Warrigal wrote: If a power-1 rule states that a certain person can do something with 0 support or without 100 objections, the power-3 rule 1728 allows them to do it. Not if another rule takes precedence over the power-1 rule and says they can't (or, equivalently, secures the change with a

Re: DIS: Proto: Subgame/Contest: The Evolution of Cooperation

2008-11-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Nov 2008, at 20:55, Jamie Dallaire wrote: Yep. Sorry what I said wasn't super clear. Don't construe that to mean I think everyone here boycotts Windows. Probably some do, but really I meant that it's unlikely to be EVERYONE's main working environment. I only recently semi-weaned off

DIS: The trains are running on time again

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Okay, home access is back up and running again. Latest batch of judgements are about to be recorded.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2273 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: My mistake, I zoop a criminal case against myself alleging that I violated Rule 1742 by violating the P100 contract by causing P100 to register with the same basis as another player. (To be clear, this means I intend to initiate the case, then act on behalf of Sgeo and ehird,

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2008-11-26 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Nov 25, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Siege wrote: I would like to register. Welcome to Agora, Siege! What brought you to this game? And do you go by Siege anywhere else? I know a Siege on a certain message board I frequent. - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auction

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Norrish
Elliott Hird wrote: On 26 Nov 2008, at 04:46, Pavitra wrote: On Tuesday 25 November 2008 01:27:59 pm Elliott Hird wrote: time, unless the winner has transferred the VP to him. Y'know, you B players really need to get used to the way we use pronouns around here. I started playing B much

DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] caste() report

2008-11-26 Thread Warrigal
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warrigal of Escher Drop the Escher; I've undergone a religious conversion and now worship Bach instead. --Warrigal

DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] caste() report

2008-11-26 Thread Warrigal
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Warrigal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warrigal of Escher Drop the Escher; I've undergone a religious conversion and now worship Bach instead. In case you're wondering, by the way, Gödel

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] caste() report

2008-11-26 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Nov 26, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Warrigal wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Warrigal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warrigal of Escher Drop the Escher; I've undergone a religious conversion and now worship Bach

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auction

2008-11-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Nov 2008, at 22:41, Michael Norrish wrote: I've never used Spivak by choice. English has perfectly good gender-neutral third person singular pronouns: they, them etc. (Nor are these some kind of PC invention of the 20th century; they occur used in this way in Shakespeare, the King

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] caste() report

2008-11-26 Thread Elliott Hird
On 26 Nov 2008, at 22:50, Benjamin Schultz wrote: Duly updated. And thanks for the historical note. I believe the next step is Douglas.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Philosophy

2008-11-26 Thread Jamie Dallaire
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 08:52, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I CFJ on the statement The Ambassador CAN flip Wooble's Recognition to Friendly without objection.. Arguments: This is really about whether Wooble is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Philosophy

2008-11-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, Jamie Dallaire wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 08:52, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A nomic ruleset is defined as follows: {{{ A nomic ruleset is a set of explicit rules that provides means

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auction

2008-11-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 16:04, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Nov 2008, at 22:41, Michael Norrish wrote: I've never used Spivak by choice. English has perfectly good gender-neutral third person singular pronouns: they, them etc. (Nor are these some kind of PC invention of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auction

2008-11-26 Thread comex
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now can we get rid of Spivak? I second this motion. It worked for B. they is fine for unknown referents, but I'm not going to say I transfer a prop to ais523 because they did a fine job in their judgement. We could of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2290 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: In consensus with the arguments that have been presented I rule UNDETERMINED. I thought I had judged a case similar to this in the past but I can't seem to find it in the archive. 1860, as noted in woggle's gratuituous arguments.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auction

2008-11-26 Thread Pavitra
On Wednesday 26 November 2008 10:19:56 pm Roger Hicks wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 16:04, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Nov 2008, at 22:41, Michael Norrish wrote: I've never used Spivak by choice. English has perfectly good gender-neutral third person singular pronouns: