Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] Moderately difficult puzzles

2009-03-26 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: 2009/3/25 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: You could put them on a web page and announce the URL. Aaargh! Think of the archivists! Oh, you could post them directly to a-b when it came time to report the results.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Insulator] Fnord!

2009-03-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: But if it's found that assets that we've treated as fungible are not in fact fungible, then all attempts to destroy rests, at least, have failed. Right? The self-ratification of the March 15 report has papered over any errors earlier than that.

Re: DIS: Proto: Nomic Wars III

2009-03-26 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
11. (Rating=4, Owner=null) Creating a new section is a Battle Action with a cost of 2. Exactly what is a section? I don't really get it, the rest of the rules imply that players create rules against each other, but what you can create is sections. How do you get war-rules into your sections? --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] Moderately difficult puzzles

2009-03-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 13:21 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 10:16 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: /me considers sending Enigma puzzles via private email to all contestants to avoid a repeat of this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Insulator] Fnord!

2009-03-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 16:54 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: But if rests are not fungible, the recordkeepor would be required to track each rest as a distinct thing, and attempts to destroy rests would have to match, e.g. I hereby destroy the rest that was created when I broke rule foo. We don't do

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Insulator] Fnord!

2009-03-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: Goethe wrote: But if it's found that assets that we've treated as fungible are not in fact fungible, then all attempts to destroy rests, at least, have failed. Right? The self-ratification of the March 15 report has papered over any errors earlier

Re: DIS: Proto: Nomic Wars III

2009-03-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 03:04, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: 11. (Rating=4, Owner=null) Creating a new section is a Battle Action with a cost of 2. Exactly what is a section? I don't really get it, the rest of the rules imply that players create rules against each other, but

DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Sean Hunt
The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: Proposal pool: empty This is outright incorrect. No CoE is formally required due to the fact that it isn't self-ratifying, but this most certainly does not count as as fulfillment of the PNP's duties to report the Proposal Pool. This sort of thing is why I'm

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/26 Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com: This is outright incorrect. No CoE is formally required due to the fact that it isn't self-ratifying, but this most certainly does not count as as fulfillment of the PNP's duties to report the Proposal Pool. This sort of thing is why I'm running for

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Sean Hunt
Elliott Hird wrote: Comex triggered the activation himself, obviously. This is clearly not standard operating procedure. That doesn't change the fact that the PNP is being sloppy.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread comex
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: 1.  Attempting to ratify a false fact essentially misleads everyone in the game into accepting it as truth or effectiveness. 2.  In terms of double penalties, comex is wholly unrepentant on repeated uses of such

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, comex wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: 1.  Attempting to ratify a false fact essentially misleads everyone in the game into accepting it as truth or effectiveness. 2.  In terms of double penalties, comex is wholly

DIS: Re: BUS: Yet another Partnership Removal

2009-03-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/26 Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu: I submit the following Proposal, enough again already, AI-2: -- [The PNP was the last partnership which seemed to justify partnerships existing.  Now it is also compromised.  

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread comex
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: Proposal 6167 (Democratic, AI=3.0, Interest=1) by comex Foo Create a Power=3 Rule which reads: { comex CAN cause this rule to amend itself by announcement. }

DIS: Re: BUS: Yet another Partnership Removal

2009-03-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 09:39 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I submit the following Proposal, enough again already, AI-2: -- [The PNP was the last partnership which seemed to justify partnerships existing. Now it is also

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread comex
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Attempts to ratify a deliberately inaccurate gamestate are inherently misleading.  This may be EXCUSED if the gamestate can't be reconstructed (so there's a reason for it), but otherwise it is not.  -Goethe You're

DIS: Re: BUS: Yet another Partnership Removal

2009-03-26 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I submit the following Proposal, enough again already, AI-2: -- [The PNP was the last partnership which seemed to justify partnerships existing.  Now

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yet another Partnership Removal

2009-03-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/26 Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu: Bayes has been quiet lately... are you still doing anything with it actively?  -G. I haven't got round to it and I plan to remove some of the more irritating things it did before re-activating it, but I do intend to revive it.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread comex
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 08:56 -0700, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: Proposal pool: empty I NoV against comex for violating the power-2 rule 1742 by violating the PNP by causing it to fail to meet all its obligations. I

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, comex wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: Proposal 6167 (Democratic, AI=3.0, Interest=1) by comex Foo Create a Power=3 Rule which reads: { comex CAN cause this rule to

DIS: Re: BUS: Yet another Partnership Removal

2009-03-26 Thread Taral
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Repeal Rule 2145 (Partnerships). FOR, vehemently so. -- Taral tar...@gmail.com Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/26 Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu: I guess my options are ignore one out of three, response to all and get annoyed/frustrated/exhausted, or just deregister for a time and take a breath.  Not sure which is best right now. -Goethe 's just a game.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yet another Partnership Removal

2009-03-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 09:39 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I submit the following Proposal, enough again already, AI-2: -- [The PNP was the last partnership which seemed to justify

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/26 Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu: I guess my options are ignore one out of three, response to all and get annoyed/frustrated/exhausted, or just deregister for a time and take a breath.  Not sure which is best right now. -Goethe 's just

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 10:13 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I object to the intent. I vote AGAINST 6167. I raise the point that a record of votes is part of resolving a decision, but not actually part of anyone's Report as far as I can tell (that must be explicitly defined as being part of a

DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/3/26 The PerlNomic Partnership perlno...@nomictools.com: NUM  C I AI  SUBMITTER           TITLE 6167 D 1 3.0 comex               Foo I vote AGAINST this proposal. -- -Tiger

DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Rodlen
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:56 AM, The PerlNomic Partnership perlno...@nomictools.com wrote: This distribution of proposal 6167 initiates the Agoran Decisions on whether to adopt it. The eligible voters for ordinary proposals are the active players, the eligible voters for democratic

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Sean Hunt
Charles Reiss wrote: Actually, let's try this again. I retract all my votes on the decision to adopt proposal 6167. I submit the following ballot: { decision to adopt proposal 6167: AGAINST } -woggle woggle's got the right idea here. I retract all my votes on the decision to adopt

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, comex wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Attempts to ratify a deliberately inaccurate gamestate are inherently misleading.  This may be EXCUSED if the gamestate can't be reconstructed (so there's a reason for it), but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] Moderately difficult puzzles

2009-03-26 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 13:21 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 10:16 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: /me considers sending Enigma puzzles via private email to all contestants to avoid a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Insulator] Fnord!

2009-03-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: Goethe wrote: But if it's found that assets that we've treated as fungible are not in fact fungible, then all attempts to destroy rests, at least, have failed. Right? The self-ratification of the March 15 report has papered over any

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Rodlen wrote: Oh right, and I had better hail Eris. Hail Eris. There. I yell CREAMPUFF.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] Moderately difficult puzzles

2009-03-26 Thread Taral
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Oh, you're right.  Taral, how hard would it be to allow overriding the usual Reply-To: by, say, including {{{ Reply-To: ais...@foo.bar }}} somewhere within the first 5 lines of the body? I dunno. What's the use-case here?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] Moderately difficult puzzles

2009-03-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: Taral wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Oh, you're right. Taral, how hard would it be to allow overriding the usual Reply-To: by, say, including {{{ Reply-To: ais...@foo.bar }}} somewhere within the first 5

DIS: Re: BUS: equity

2009-03-26 Thread comex
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I initiate an equity case regarding the PerlNomic Partnership, the parties to which are Dvorak, RainerWasserfuhr, Wooble, ais523, comex, ihope.  The state of affairs not envisioned by the contract was comex's willful