DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Undeflaggable

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: I officially contest this list of valid options; there are no valid options (see below): I officially contest this list of valid options; Rule 2105 (The Map of Agora) is a Flag Candidate and thus a valid option. The problem with this

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Anarchist Election

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
Pavitra wrote: I seem to be doing this a lot, so I might as well define a shorthand for it. I agree to the following pledge: { This is a public contract and a pledge named Pocket Dictionary. Any person CAN join or leave this contract by announcement. Pavitra CAN amend the following list of

DIS: Re: BUS: Nonflagged

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: That won't work due to Vote Protection; if every vote was retracted it would. Hmm, if we just amend the rule to remove the self-modification and win clauses, then the decisions could 'decide the flag' without having an effect on the ruleset. That's

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6421-6425

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: NUM C I AI SUBMITTER TITLE 6421 D 1 4.0 Pavitra Great Cthulhu AGAINT Cute.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6421-6425

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: 6421 D 1 4.0 Pavitra Great Cthulhu AGAINT Note to new players: AGAINT has acquired a more-or-less permanent taint of ambiguity due to http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1260 http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1261

DIS: Re: OFF: Proposals 6414 - 6420 are failing quorum

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
H. Assessor, When do you plan to resolve 6406-6409 (apologies if I missed them). -G.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6407 - 6409

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: Each player earns the deals e would have earned if this proposal had been adopted immediately after the adoption of the Coda proposal, minus any deals e actually earned for eir offices. I believe this is none due to the interpretation chosen of priority.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Proposals 6414 - 6420 are failing quorum

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: When do you plan to resolve 6406-6409 (apologies if I missed them). They were resolved about half an hour ago.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Proposals 6414 - 6420 are failing quorum

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: G. wrote: When do you plan to resolve 6406-6409 (apologies if I missed them). They were resolved about half an hour ago. My inbox was sorted funnily... sorry. -G.

DIS: Re: BUS: Activity

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
C-walker wrote: I become active. It looks like I missed an interesting week! Can someone tell me how the Absolv-o-matic thing ended? Do I still have a rest? I believe so, but you still have a card. H. IADoP, are there any nomination periods in progress? Yes, for the office of Tailor.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Activity

2009-08-07 Thread C-walker
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: C-walker wrote: I become active. It looks like I missed an interesting week! Can someone tell me how the Absolv-o-matic thing ended? Do I still have a rest? I believe so, but you still have a card. Ok, thanks for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Activity

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
C-walker wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: C-walker wrote: I become active. It looks like I missed an interesting week! Can someone tell me how the Absolv-o-matic thing ended? Do I still have a rest? I believe so, but you still have a card. Ok,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's a pair of docks, you see?

2009-08-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: The Nomic game custom, even older than Agora's, is that a definite and explicit contradiction between two rules is a discovery that results in a reward for the discoverer. The custom is also that the game immediately ends,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What a panda does

2009-08-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Pavitracelestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: E can only do it once every thirty days. Isn't nonplayerhood for 0.99... of the time enough? I was thinking of proposing that we make time time limit between registrations proportional to the number of times you've

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA

2009-08-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I buy two Digit Ranches and a Mill. You can only buy 1 land per week...

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6407 - 6409

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 02:11, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Each player earns the deals e would have earned if this proposal had been adopted immediately after the adoption of the Coda proposal, minus any deals e actually earned for eir offices. I believe this is none

Re: DIS: Speaking of fora...

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 10:51 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I think the irc logger needs a restart. -G. Done, thanks for letting me know. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, comex wrote: If Contract A were a rule, it would be possible to use the without 15 objections mechanism to create a new rule; therefore, R1728 authorizes it as long as the

Re: DIS: Straw Poll: agora-actions

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 17:53 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: Sgeo wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, comex wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Non-recordkeepors, however, won't.

DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 01:40, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I award:  * 8 x-points to c-walker  * 6 x-points to Wooble  * 4 x-points to coppro  * 8 y-points to Wooble  * 6 y-points to c-walker  * 4 y-points to BobTHJ  * 2 y-points to Wooble Is this in compliance with the Cookie

DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: however the e SHALL only perform these actions as explicitly permitted by the Rules. E MAY transfer, play, or destroy cards in eir own possession as any other player generally MAY. No. Creation is specifically outlawed by e SHALL only here

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:15, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: You used this to win the game in a direct breach of trust by performing an officer's duty 33 times as explicitly forbidden.  This is worth 33 NoVs and removal from office IMO; it's the precise purpose of writing the rules

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 21:43 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, comex wrote: Note that Rule 1728 takes precedence over Rule 2140 (Power Controls Mutability), so any issue of the power of the contract is moot. No it's not; it's been previously held that it's the power of whatever

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Undeflaggable

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 21:54 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: The only valid option is currently GOETHE'S FLAG CANDIDATE, below (note with one option, quorum does not apply): I vote for GOETHE'S

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Undeflaggable

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, ais523 wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 21:54 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: The only valid option is currently GOETHE'S FLAG CANDIDATE, below (note with one option, quorum does not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-08-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote:  * 8 y-points to Wooble  * 6 y-points to c-walker  * 4 y-points to BobTHJ  * 2 y-points to Wooble Is this in compliance with the Cookie Jar agreement? I thought prizes only paid to 3rd place? Why 4th place for CFJs but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What a panda does

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 08:42 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Pavitracelestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: E can only do it once every thirty days. Isn't nonplayerhood for 0.99... of the time enough? I was thinking of proposing that we make time time limit between

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 10:19 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:15, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: You used this to win the game in a direct breach of trust by performing an officer's duty 33 times as explicitly forbidden. This is worth 33 NoVs and removal from

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, ais523 wrote: Even if the scam worked I still think this warrants 33 NOVs (well, as many as can be supported) for violating the SHALL. The scam failed, the sort of card coppro created was a different sort of card from what e subsequently attempted to play. Heh, I'm

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:28, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote:  * 8 y-points to Wooble  * 6 y-points to c-walker  * 4 y-points to BobTHJ  * 2 y-points to Wooble Is this in compliance with the Cookie Jar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:32, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The scam failed, the sort of card coppro created was a different sort of card from what e subsequently attempted to play. Huh?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:44, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:32, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The scam failed, the sort of card coppro created was a different sort of card from what e subsequently attempted to play. Huh? Nevermind - I get it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Heh, I'm guessing that was on purpose... trolled me in anyway.  Destroy the 33 and I'd be happy with a single penalty :| ... If so, violates Truthiness for knowingly claiming to decrease caste with a Lobbyist.

DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 02:48, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I spend Lobbyist to reduce Murphy's caste. I spend Lobbyist to reduce Murphy's caste. I spend Lobbyist to reduce Murphy's caste. I spend Lobbyist to reduce Murphy's caste. I spend Lobbyist to reduce Murphy's caste. I spend

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Gratuitous: But how it got to that value does matter, and R1688 has precedence over R2141. Note: to act, the contract must have power as if it were a rule, not act as if it were a rule of power.

DIS: Re: BUS: Activity

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Murphy
c-walker wrote: Can someone tell me how the Absolv-o-matic thing ended? Do I still have a rest? Recently fixed by Proposal 6409. Yes, I think so.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, comex wrote: On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Gratuitous: But how it got to that value does matter, and R1688 has precedence over R2141. Note: to act, the contract must have power as if it were a rule, not act as if it were a

DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 02:48, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I create 33 Local Election cards in my own possession. Notes on recordkeeping: As of the time of initiation for this scam coppro was owed 4 draws from the Deck of Government (2 for Poobah weekly salary, and 2 for IADoP weekly

DIS: Re: OFF: Undeflaggable

2009-08-07 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: [Since it seems to be an evening for them, the following, I admit, is an Outright Scam; by my taxonomy definitely against the intent of the rule in question]. I initiate an Agoran decision to decide the Flag of Agora.  

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Not over R1688 it doesn't.  Stipulated by the rules is not the same as stipulated by a contract acting as if it were a rule.  -G. I'd say that R1728's CAN perform... as if is such a stipulation-- an implicit one, but no

DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, comex wrote: I CFJ on the statement: If I don't receive 15 objections, it will be POSSIBLE for me to indirectly cause a Rule Change using Contract A. I favor this case.  -G. Can you please retract

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, comex wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, comex wrote: I CFJ on the statement: If I don't receive 15 objections, it will be POSSIBLE for me to indirectly cause a Rule Change using Contract A. I favor this

DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, comex wrote: Can you please retract this?  I have no doubt you would provide a good fair judgement, but I don't really like having a 100% chance of the case being assigned to a judge who's established emself as a defendant to my plaintiff. You can't, so I retract my CFJ

DIS: Re: BUS: PBA

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 12:57 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:18, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I PBA-deposit a 7 crop. I PBA-withdraw three 3 crops. (N.B. I have no idea what the PBA rates are, but suspect that this is possible by now.) I do not intend to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PBA

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 20:01 +0100, ais523 wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 12:57 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:18, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I PBA-deposit a 7 crop. I PBA-withdraw three 3 crops. (N.B. I have no idea what the PBA rates are, but suspect

DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: It has been pointed out to me that I misread Rule 2253, thinking it also provided an exception for creating cards, which it does not. Gratuitous: When planning something that is clearly against the spirit of a rule, claiming to

DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: I think this is especially the case when scamming a power granted to you as a result of an office you hold. For the good of the game Officers should be overly cautious in exercising any powers granted to them for their office as these powers are typically defined to ensure

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: As a point, self-interest aside, I think its bad if expressing opinions in discussion disqualifies one to judge.  That's a little chilling... are you saying it's better to favor a case and stay quiet rather than have a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: I consider it to be a bug in the rules that a player can be found NOT GUILTY if it is at all reasonable for em to have believed e was not breaking the rule, even if e did not believe so at the time. I don't think it's so broken; I think judges not be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:20, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I submit that people should consider my past performance of duties in all offices, and not just the scam, when chosing to vote in this and other ongoing elections for my offices. There is abusable power in the Grand Poobah office,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:31 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: Also to clarify one other thing: I'm not opposed to officers abusing their powers for a scam, I just think it should (in most cases) lead to a new office holder. Take for instance my bribery attempt when the Grand Poobah and castes were

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, comex wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: As a point, self-interest aside, I think its bad if expressing opinions in discussion disqualifies one to judge.  That's a little chilling... are you saying it's better to favor a case

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I appreciate that; I apologize and withdraw my pledge on the matter. Thank you. Now let's get back to arguing about the case. :) Actually, I believe the existing without-15-objections mechanism is subtly broken: Rule 105

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 12:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: FWIW, I favored it because it's an interesting case (favoring aside I thought about raising the II) I thought about that too. Maybe we should have a card to raise IIs? It would probably be simpler than the current method. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, ais523 wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:31 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: Also to clarify one other thing: I'm not opposed to officers abusing their powers for a scam, I just think it should (in most cases) lead to a new office holder. Take for instance my bribery attempt when

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
ais523 wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 12:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: FWIW, I favored it because it's an interesting case (favoring aside I thought about raising the II) I thought about that too. Maybe we should have a card to raise IIs? It would probably be simpler than the current method.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] Office Salaries

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 03:36, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I award comex two On the Nods and a Roll call for eir performance as Rulekeepor. I can't find where c. performed a non-empty set of rulekeepor duties last week, no SLR or FLR was published from what I can tell. I believe these

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6407 - 6409

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 08:13, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 02:11, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Each player earns the deals e would have earned if this proposal had been adopted immediately after the adoption of the Coda proposal, minus any

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6407 - 6409

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 08:13, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 02:11, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Each player earns the deals e would have earned if this proposal had been adopted immediately after the adoption of the Coda

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] Office Salaries

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:48, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I award myself a Roll call and a Debate-o-Matic for my performance as IADoP. As I mentioned in another mail I believe you are still owed two salary draws for Poobah. I did not publish a caste report. but you did publish a DoG

Re: DIS: Speaking of fora...

2009-08-07 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/7 ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk: On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 10:51 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I think the irc logger needs a restart.  -G. Done, thanks for letting me know. -- ais523 while true; do ./loggic; done

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6407 - 6409

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:52, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 08:13, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 02:11, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Each player earns the deals e would have earned if this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, comex wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I appreciate that; I apologize and withdraw my pledge on the matter. Thank you. Now let's get back to arguing about the case. :) This isn't an argument, it's just contradictions :) (No

DIS: Re: BUS: Some NoVs

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 14:10, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, with Support, to publish an NoV alleging that ais523 violated the 1-power Rule 2143 by failing to report the Recognition switch during the month of July. I intend, with 2 Support, to publish an NoV alleging that Murphy

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Interstellar Manifest

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 14:06, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: Tailor Initiated: 2009-08-07 03:55 Candidates: BobTHJ, coppro Unaccepted Nominations: Nominations Declined by: CoE: but not here. further CoE: Although Wooble is a candidate for tailor (see message

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Some NoVs

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 14:10, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, with Support, to publish an NoV alleging that ais523 violated the 1-power Rule 2143 by failing to report the Recognition switch during the month of July. I intend, with 2 Support, to publish an NoV

Re: DIS: Speaking of fora...

2009-08-07 Thread Sgeo
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/8/7 ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk: On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 10:51 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I think the irc logger needs a restart.  -G. Done, thanks for letting me know. -- ais523 while true; do

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] Office Salaries

2009-08-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: Wooble did not earn Registrar salary last week (e did publish deputize to publish a Registrar report but did not subsequently publish one once e attained the office), therefore the last of these draws was illegal. I was the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] Office Salaries

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 14:26, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: Wooble did not earn Registrar salary last week (e did publish deputize to publish a Registrar report but did not subsequently publish one once e attained

DIS: Re: BUS: [IBA] Motion: reduce the quorum

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 14:29, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: I initiate a Motion to Amend, specifying the following amendment (in diff format).  The eligible voters are the parties to the IBA, the options are FOR, AGAINST, and

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] Office Salaries

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 14:30, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Wooble did not earn Registrar salary last week (e did publish deputize to publish a Registrar report but did not subsequently publish one once e attained

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, comex wrote: I CFJ on the statement: If I don't receive 15 objections, it will be POSSIBLE for me to indirectly cause a Rule Change using Contract A. I favor this case. -G. Can you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: A very broken system. As the criminal rules are written, you don't even need to actually believe you were in the right, it just needs to be reasonable for you to have done so. I completely support criminal reform (N.B. my reform proposal would not have repaired this error) as

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6407 - 6409

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: Actually, I retract this. I don't see where the Assessor has a weekly report (or am I missing something?). If so then Murphy got some extra deals out of this (which isn't a big deal, but makes a difference going forward). No, eir report is entirely monthly. Eir non-report

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Some NoVs

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 14:10, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, with Support, to publish an NoV alleging that ais523 violated the 1-power Rule 2143 by failing to report the Recognition switch during the month of July. I intend, with 2 Support, to

DIS: Re: BUS: Flag candidate CFJs

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: * Viva la fuente! is a Flag Candidate. Arguments: Rule 2265 (Placeholder Arms) says ...each active first-class player may create exactly one Flag Candidate without three objections. G. attempted to create Viva la fuente! as a Flag Candidate by

DIS: Re: BUS: Assets transfer

2009-08-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:20 PM, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I act on behalf of 0x44 to cause em to transfer all eir assets to me. If I'm not mistaken, this is 134 coins.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2009-08-07 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: My first instinct is that if any part of the authorization chain that contains a permitted by or other allowing mechanism falls down to power-0, the chain is broken.  But that's a first (or by now second) instinct.  

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] Office Salaries

2009-08-07 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 03:36, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I award comex two On the Nods and a Roll call for eir performance as Rulekeepor. I can't find where c. performed a non-empty set of rulekeepor

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 6406

2009-08-07 Thread comex
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: This distribution of proposal 6406 initiates the Agoran ... Proposal 6403 (Democratic, AI=2.0, Interest=1) by c-walker Proposal Tweaking Part 2.1 Which proposal is the real 6406? -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Undeflaggable

2009-08-07 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Not for a Non-election, Non-AI decision where the rule describes the valid options without including PRESENT.  Unless it changed in the last couple weeks.  -G. At the moment it's a valid ballot but not a valid option

DIS: Re: BUS: Another Flag Candidate

2009-08-07 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I contest this:  Two reasons: 1.  The rule mandates text and title in that order.  Viva la fuente! is a title. It still doesn't describe a Flag or other suitable Symbol for Agora. (Depending on your view, a dictatorship

DIS: Re: BUS: New Gameplay

2009-08-07 Thread Pavitra
Sean Hunt wrote: or indirectly, intentionally cause the coup to end uncessfully. unsuccessfully. Upon a win announcement that a coup d'etat concluded unsuccessfully, the persons who were members of the Government in Exile at the conclusion of the coup all satisfy the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Pavitra
Kerim Aydin wrote: the MAY is only for transfer, play, or create. NOT create. Er, what? Surely 'create' is an element of the set {'transfer', 'play', 'create'}.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's a pair of docks, you see?

2009-08-07 Thread Pavitra
Sean Hunt wrote: Pavitra wrote: Nice try, but R217 actually says this: Where the text is silent, inconsistent, or unclear, it is to be augmented by game custom, common sense, past judgements, and consideration of the best interests of the game.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's a pair of docks, you see?

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Pavitra wrote: I agree that that is the very old, very strong custom and precedent. Nevertheless, we are bound by the text of the rules. Proto-proposal: amend R217 by deleting , inconsistent,. I think it's important to keep. Current custom and good-of-the-game is in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Some NoVs

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 15:17, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Admitted, but OTOH it isn't a frequent error (most weeks see the same quorum as the previous week, and most proposals achieve quorum by a comfortable margin).  That said, I'll see about revamping the system this weekend for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Gameplay

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
Pavitra wrote: Sean Hunt wrote: or indirectly, intentionally cause the coup to end uncessfully. unsuccessfully. Upon a win announcement that a coup d'etat concluded unsuccessfully, the persons who were members of the Government in Exile at the conclusion of the coup

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Assets transfer

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 16:01, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:20 PM, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I act on behalf of 0x44 to cause em to transfer all eir assets to me. If I'm not mistaken, this is 134 coins. If there is interest in reviving the