Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, Appeal 3365a

2013-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013, omd wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: I object to this judgement of OVERRULE. Gratuitous: For the record, I think that scshunt's offense is not even close to the levels of negligence various officers have shown over

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread James Beirne
but that we also wish to avoid making a decision on sentencing on our own Is that not exactly what the text of rule 911 states we should do?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013, James Beirne wrote: but that we also wish to avoid making a decision on sentencing on our own Is that not exactly what the text of rule 911 states we should do? There's actually a difference of opinion here. I personally think appeals courts should overrule more than

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread James Beirne
What follows is not really a direct reply but is an explanation, of sorts, for my feelings towards the sentence, particularly as to why I feel a time out is appropriate. Perhaps this is coming from my lack of experience, but the rules seem to very clearly permit and encourage appellate panels to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013, James Beirne wrote: If players were compelled to hold offices I'd feel differently, but whereas it's entirely voluntary, failure to discharge duties (ie., not do something you signed up to do) seems (to me) deserving of a stricter punishment. If one wanted to not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 Jul 2013 08:39, James Beirne james.m.bei...@gmail.com wrote: What follows is not really a direct reply but is an explanation, of sorts, for my feelings towards the sentence, particularly as to why I feel a time out is appropriate. The panel (and future judges) should consider that the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election!

2013-07-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 July 2013 15:12, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote: Good luck on recording THAT in the reports. It should be OK; it can be reported as G +/- n for some n, and it should be easy to tell when it's greater than anyone else's number of Yaks (always). Of course it would be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread James Beirne
The panel (and future judges) should consider that the defendant recently made emself inactive, rendering TIME OUT most likely ineffectual. E was not inactive at the time of the original sentencing, though. On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 24

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, Appeal 3365a

2013-07-24 Thread Tanner Swett
On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:11 AM, James Beirne wrote: I'm not sure that I have introduced anything new to the case, rather than explaining why I felt the original judgement was inappropriate. Isn't the idea of a 7-day TIME OUT a new opinion? —Machiavelli

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7530-7547

2013-07-24 Thread Tanner Swett
On Jul 22, 2013, at 4:23 PM, omd wrote: Proposal 7538 (AI=1, PF=Y0, Ordinary) by Machiavelli Fencing off On Jul 24, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Charles Walker wrote: 7538 10 O Machiavelli Fencing off AGAINST; broken (AI) CoE: the AI of this proposal is 3. —Machiavelli

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, Appeal 3365a

2013-07-24 Thread James Beirne
Oh, I misunderstood. Yes, it is, but again, I don't see why the rules permit overruling if it's considered to be inappropriate. On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: On Jul 24, 2013, at 1:11 AM, James Beirne wrote: I'm not sure that I have introduced anything

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 Jul 2013 18:11, James Beirne james.m.bei...@gmail.com wrote: The panel (and future judges) should consider that the defendant recently made emself inactive, rendering TIME OUT most likely ineffectual. E was not inactive at the time of the original sentencing, though. Quite, but there's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 Jul 2013 18:11, James Beirne james.m.bei...@gmail.com wrote: The panel (and future judges) should consider that the defendant recently made emself inactive, rendering TIME OUT most likely ineffectual. E

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread James Beirne
Quite, but there's no point overruling to TIME OUT. Ideally I'd have preferred to assess a different penalty, but I wasn't sure whether doing so merely because he had subsequently gone on hold would have been inappropriate. On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Jonathan Rouillard

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:38 AM, James Beirne james.m.bei...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, it seems to me that failure to publish a report should not be considered a minor infraction as (for me, at least), it serves as an important tool to keep up with the game. Well, again, even if there are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 Jul 2013 20:40, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:38 AM, James Beirne james.m.bei...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, it seems to me that failure to publish a report should not be considered a minor infraction as (for me, at least), it serves as an important tool

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Appeal 3365a assigned to Ienpw III, woggle, Yally

2013-07-24 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, most officers are late occasionally and it is definitely not in the interests of the game to drive them away every time they miss a report. In fact I think it's almost always a bad idea to stop someone