DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset

> On May 21, 2017, at 11:20 PM, Quazie wrote: > > I COE on this FLR - it contains an intent to win by apathy, which I believe > wouldn't have worked and would have instead added garbage to the ruleset. As the Referee, I am extremely disappointed with our Rulekeepor for

Re: DIS: Etiquette for huge plaintext?

Generally, just send it. The list has a message size limit, but it’s hefty, and you’ll get a bounce message if you exceed it. There are precedents allowing multiple messages to be treated as a single action. If the reason it’s huge is that it contains a huge number of actions, one of two

DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

I am, in fact, tired of winning. > On May 21, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > I hereby initiate a Victory Election with all players or announced > non-players as valid options and the Herald as the vote collector. I

DIS: Re: BUS: Ok so maybe everyone in the universe is playing Nomic

I’ll note that you appear to be reproducing Peter Suber’s thesis, one piece at a time, and adding paradoxical constraints in the process: > If appropriate qualifications are made for the informality of custom and > etiquette, a case could be made that normal social life is just a system of >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3469 judged DISMISS

On Sun, 21 May 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I judged CFJ 3449 on 28 Sep 2015: > https://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2015-September/033920.html > > It was over a month late, but we're definitely outside the Statute of > Limitations. Also, to follow-up, because it's

Re: DIS: Common Law and Tracking

On Mon, 22 May 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > 2. There is presently no rule binding judges to follow the precedent of prior > CFJs. from R217: When interpreting and applying the rules, the text of the rules takes precedence. Where the text is silent, inconsistent, or

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Call for Piñata

On Mon, 22 May 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Quis tonsoriet ipsos tonsores? Or something. My latin’s never been anything but shit. Wiktionary for all(?) your obscure grammar needs: custodes:tonsores::custodiet:tondebit https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3469 judged DISMISS

I judged CFJ 3449 on 28 Sep 2015: https://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2015-September/033920.html It was over a month late, but we're definitely outside the Statute of Limitations. If you're looking at the CFJ database, that is one of several between 3380-3452

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ribbons

> On May 21, 2017, at 12:44 AM, Nic Evans wrote: > > I read the rule as having two mechanisms: 1 where you qualify by virtue of > never having it, and therefore being able to award it, 2 where anyone can > award it to anyone regardless of qualificaiton if they haven't

DIS: Re: BUS: Hello and proposal

Welcome! This appears to be very similar to the Reportor (r. 2446), and this proposal would be improved by making it clear how the office of Digestive System differs from that office. -o > On May 21, 2017, at 12:17 AM, James Beirne wrote: > > I'd like to register

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Call for Piñata

Quis tonsoriet ipsos tonsores? Or something. My latin’s never been anything but shit. -o > On May 20, 2017, at 11:27 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > Employing the power of Rule 991/17, I submit a Call for Judgement for the > following statement: > > "Can this statement

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Super Election Season

Sold. After I finish up the current Secretary’s weekly reports, I’ll put what I have on Github. We can refine from there. I’d prefer changes by pull request over commits, please. I’m still responsible for the correctness of the report. -o > On May 20, 2017, at 7:28 PM, Publius Scribonius

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7853-7857

> On May 21, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, and

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3469 judged DISMISS

On May 20, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I judge CFJ 3469 DISMISS because of the typo. In final and complete satisfaction of my pledge, if I inherited G.’s Shinies, I pay Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 20 shinies for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

I think if we don't COE that will become part of the ruleset. On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 20:17 Gaelan Steele wrote: > This was my wording: > > The following section is not a portion of the report: > For the purposes of this section, The Sentence is “I intend, > without objection,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

This was my wording: The following section is not a portion of the report: For the purposes of this section, The Sentence is “I intend, without objection, to declare [word], specifying myself.” I execute The Sentence, substituting [word] for a word beginning with “ap” that is a synonym for “not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

On Mon, 22 May 2017, Quazie wrote: I am unsure if you can make actions inside a report? In fact I believe you can't. I am pretty sure there was a precedent one way or the other. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

I am unsure if you can make actions inside a report? In fact I believe you can't. On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 20:04 Gaelan Steele wrote: > Darn it all, I snuck one into the middle of the FLR. > > Gaelan > > On May 21, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A move

I'm not sure, but isn't it terrifying? Cuttlefish! Cuttlefish! We may need to form a milita in order to combat this menace (I'm assuming they've been weaponized, given "deploy"). -Aris On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:10 PM Gaelan Steele wrote: > Don’t tell me this is a registration

DIS: Re: BUS: A move

Don’t tell me this is a registration attempt. > On May 21, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > I deploy the cuttlefish. > > Authentication: cerebellum. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:06 PM Alexis Hunt wrote: > hi Hello! Welcome back! I hope you're feeling better. -Aris >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

hi On Sun, May 21, 2017, 20:00 Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sun, 21 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > > I hereby initiate a Victory Election with all players or announced > > non-players as valid options and the Herald as the vote collector. I > would > > be

DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

Darn it all, I snuck one into the middle of the FLR. Gaelan > On May 21, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > I object to all intentions to declare winner by apathy that currently exist, > except for those that intend to declare me as winner by apathy. smime.p7s

DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

On Sun, 21 May 2017, Nic Evans wrote: On 05/21/2017 05:10 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I hereby initiate a Victory Election with all players or announced non-players as valid options and the Herald as the vote collector. I would be in favor of all watchers (Ørjan and others) and

Re: DIS: Experimental Ruleset Restructuring

On 05/20/2017 09:46 PM, Josh T wrote: I do not like how it is not evident what the numbers after a rule are (rule number, power). Quickly scanning I mistook the second number for revision number, which appears to be missing. This is the central issue for me as well. Revision #s need to be

DIS: Etiquette for huge plaintext?

If I would post a huge plaintext, what would the best procedure be to do so?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

I vote in the Victory Election for {Ørjan, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus}. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sun, 21 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > Since I can award it without objection,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7853-7857

I am fine to let it go. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 5:05 PM, caleb vines wrote: > > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Publius Scribonius

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7853-7857

On Sun, 21 May 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: // ID: 7855 Title: Limited Agencies Adoption Index: 1.0 Author: Publius Scribonius Scholasticus Co-author(s): {{{ In rule 2467 replace: {{{ An Agency is a document

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7853-7857

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 5:05 PM, caleb vines wrote: > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: >> >> CoE: I did not write Limited Agencies. >> >> I vote FOR proposals 7853, 7854, 7855, 7856, and 7857.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7853-7857

I vote FOR proposals 7853, 7854, 7855, 7856, and 7857.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7853-7857

I know. I just wanted to make my opinions known. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:05 PM, caleb vines wrote: > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < > p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> CoE: I did

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7853-7857

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > CoE: I did not write Limited Agencies. > > I vote FOR proposals 7853, 7854, 7855, 7856, and 7857. > > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > FYI. A CoE will stop the document

Re: DIS: A series of small proto-proposals, some of which would be trivial

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Is that enshrined in the rules? Yep. Rule 2152: " The following terms are defined. These definitions are used when a rule includes a term in all caps, and provide guidance in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

Since I can award it without objection, I see no harm in going ahead and establishing it. I would cast a vote for you, if you would enter. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sun, 21 May 2017, Publius Scribonius

DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Let us begin the winning

On Sun, 21 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I hereby initiate a Victory Election with all players or announced non-players as valid options and the Herald as the vote collector. I would be in favor of all watchers (Ørjan and others) and G. putting emselves into the race. The

Re: DIS: A series of small proto-proposals, some of which would be trivial

On Sun, 21 May 2017, Quazie wrote: Proposal "emPHAsis" AI = 1 (Very Trivial) {{{ In rule 2327 replace: {{{ are encouraged to }}} with: {{{ are ENCOURAGED to }}} }}} I'm not sure this is really Very Trivial - the capitalized terms have more formal meanings, even if in this case

Re: DIS: A series of small proto-proposals, some of which would be trivial

Is that enshrined in the rules? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sun, 21 May 2017, Quazie wrote: > > Proposal "emPHAsis" AI = 1 (Very Trivial) >> >> {{{ >> In rule 2327 replace: >> {{{ >>are encouraged to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3492 judged TRUE

Thanks for letting me know I made a mistake - I will fix shortly On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 15:53 Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2017-05-21 at 15:46 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > H. arbitor, > > > > Are you of the opinion that a judgement has been rendered here, as >

DIS: GitHub discussion

There's a somewhat heated discussion going on GitHub (link [1]), which people may be interested in contributing to. I'm not going to try to summarize in order to avoid misstating the views of any of the participants, but it concerns what Agora's GitHub Pages homepage [2] should be. Please try to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] The Times of Agora: Issue #1 (May 21, 2017)

Just as an explanation, the text I was hanging on to in case I needed to provide a Gratuitous Argument: The most recent ADoP report indicates the Reportor published a weekly report on 5/5, fulfilling eir obligation for the Agoran week ending on 5/7. The first week which the Reportor failed to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] The Times of Agora: Issue #1 (May 21, 2017)

Then, I missed a report, but that is good because then my mistake is resolved. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 7:02 PM, caleb vines wrote: > CoE: It is not currently legal to deputise for Reportor, and will not be > legal to deputise for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3492 judged TRUE

On Sun, 2017-05-21 at 15:46 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > H. arbitor, > > Are you of the opinion that a judgement has been rendered here, as subject > lines > generally don't count?  (And reads more like an assertion than an action, > anyway) That email looks like arguments to me, rather than

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3492 judged TRUE

H. arbitor, Are you of the opinion that a judgement has been rendered here, as subject lines generally don't count? (And reads more like an assertion than an action, anyway) -court recordkeeper On Sun, 21 May 2017, Quazie wrote: > I accept 天火狐's arguments which I will summarize below: > >

DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] The Times of Agora: Issue #1 (May 21, 2017)

Could you warn me before deputising for an office I hold next time? I was planning on doing this. On 05/21/2017 05:19 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: The Reportor's weekly report being overdue, I hereby deputise for the reportor to publish the below weekly report:

DIS: A series of small proto-proposals, some of which would be trivial

Proposal "Why should outsiders be able to Object?" AI=1.2 {{{ In Rule 2460 replace the text {{{ A member of an Organization CAN flip that Organization's Charter without objection }}} with {{{ A member of an Organization CAN flip that Organization's Charter without the

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Difficult for who?

On 5/21/2017 12:42 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: I submit a Call for Judgement for the following statement: "In Rule 2467/1, there exists text content which is "(...) or that depends on information that is impossible or unreasonably difficult to determine(...)". Whether if such a task of information

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Ambiguity

I submit the following evidence and recommend AGAINST or DISMISSED: If "Every statement is ambiguous." is true, then that statement itself is ambiguous too, and therefore there would be insufficient information to determine what it is. So the appropriate judgement would be DISMISSED, even if

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Ambiguity

Sorry for not specifying in the text itself, but this is relevant to gameplay because Gaelan (who, I believe is assigned this CFJ, numbered 3498, by ais523 [1]) is trying to question the validity of my amendment to the charter of 蘭亭社 with "Translation between any two languages is inherently

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ribbons

On Sun, 2017-05-21 at 04:39 +, Quazie wrote: > You are not ANOTHER person, you can't award yourself a white ribbon. There have always been two ways to get a White Ribbon: a) be a new player; b) persuade a new player to give you a (one-time) White Ribbon award. There's nothing suspicious

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Call for Piñata

We used to explicitly say in the Rules that True/False judgements were equivalent to Yes/No if the statement was phrased as a yes/no question. We repealed that explicit text, but there's some ounce of possibility that precedent would allow it. The most recent CFJ phrased that way is CFJ 3374,

DIS: Re: BUS: Adjusting the Satellite dishes

Nevermind, I see how this works. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > ​Non-human persons are not necessarily "native" to Earth.​ > > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Adjusting the Satellite dishes

​Non-human persons are not necessarily "native" to Earth.​ Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 7:46 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > (Thank you for the pointer Gaelan.) > > > - > > > I establish the following Agency: (This is my 24 hours notice) >

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Call for Piñata

Ah, true. But then I guess the expected Judgement is "Dismissed" because of a malformed statement - the issue is, can there actually be a Judge to formally grant that verdict?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hello and proposal

This could also be solved by having a more active Reportor. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 5:41 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I like this idea. > > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > On Sun, May 21,

DIS: Re: BUS: Big Grafitti Wall

I like this idea. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 2:02 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > I establish the following Agency: (This is my 24 hours notice) > > Title: Big Grafitti Wall (BGW) > Agents: All Players > Powers: Any Agent may add additional

DIS: Re: BUS: Hello and proposal

I like this idea. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 12:17 AM, James Beirne wrote: > I'd like to register as a player for about the fifth time. > > I'd also like to submit a proposal entitled "Reader's Digest": { > > Enact a new rule entitled

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Call for Piñata

CFJs must be statements, not questions. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 11:27 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > Employing the power of Rule 991/17, I submit a Call for Judgement for the > following statement: > > "Can this statement have a Judge?"

Re: DIS: Test

Would it be better if I write the subject tags myself? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2017-05-21 at 02:11 +0200, CuddleBeam wrote: > > Is this working? > > It's going to my spam folder, just like PSS's

Re: DIS: Re: Draft: Promotor Report

​I need to think about it some more, but I liked the idea that the Shinies would come from Agora.​ Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Don’t remember who mentioned this, but I agree that the todo list would do > fine as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Super Election Season

The problem with Google Docs/Sheets is that they do not offer a raw plain text view or easy versioning. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 9:03 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > I suggest Google Docs/Sheets because its super layman and easily

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hello and proposal

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Quazie wrote: > I guess i would add that information into the Reportor's job? Seems like > too similar of a role to the reportor. > I agree. The idea is certainly interesting though. Might I suggest retracting the proposal and revising it?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alien Contact Program

Just create the agency again; you have no obligation to resolve your 24 hours’ notice. > On May 20, 2017, at 11:08 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > I need to adjust it then lol (I think I can only do that once it actually > materializes though). Thank you for telling me.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alien Contact Program

I need to adjust it then lol (I think I can only do that once it actually materializes though). Thank you for telling me.