Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pending Proletarian Rerevolution

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > >> On Sep 10, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Aris Merchant >> wrote: >> >> There are two separate problems, with two of your different proposals: >> >> 1. No Telepathy. I was supposed to pend

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pending Proletarian Rerevolution

2017-09-10 Thread Gaelan Steele
> On Sep 10, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > There are two separate problems, with two of your different proposals: > > 1. No Telepathy. I was supposed to pend this for you, but I never did. > I also marked it as pended, because I was planning

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pending Proletarian Rerevolution

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
There are two separate problems, with two of your different proposals: 1. No Telepathy. I was supposed to pend this for you, but I never did. I also marked it as pended, because I was planning to pend it for you, and then forgot. That's why I asked you to pay Agora the shiny. 2. Proletarian

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Yes but the cards are still there, even if the pink slip was issued. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > True, but the cleanup could get rather nasty. > > -Aris > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:10 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
True, but the cleanup could get rather nasty. -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:10 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > The way that would be solved is the arbitor issuing the referee a pink > slip and them being removed from office. There are safeguards. > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
The way that would be solved is the arbitor issuing the referee a pink slip and them being removed from office. There are safeguards. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Spread out to other people I mean. Like, RATTATATATATATATATA everyone's got > yellow

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Spread out to other people I mean. Like, RATTATATATATATATATA everyone's got yellow cards On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:07 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > issuing multiple cards at once does nothing tho... > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
issuing multiple cards at once does nothing tho... On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > becuz i dont want a gatling gun ref up my butt > > I create the following Proposal: > > Title: No 10-Card Combo > Content: > > Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
not a legal proposal, no title. also why? On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > The Referee could go full Gatling gun and during Sun-Mon, give 5+5=10 Yellow > Cards to people via Summary Judgement lol. > > I create the following Proposal: > > Amend "The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
Yeah I think you're right. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > No, I don't believe it does. CANNOT doesn't generally imply CAN under > all circumstances not listed. > > -Aris > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:58 PM, VJ Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
No, I don't believe it does. CANNOT doesn't generally imply CAN under all circumstances not listed. -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:58 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement". Does this > imply that they can be issued that way? > > On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
"Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement". Does this imply that they can be issued that way? On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing, and it > also puts some

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing, and it also puts some restrictions on when someone CANNOT use a card, but it never says players CAN do so. Rules 2478 and 2479 give carding authority to the referee under circumstances, but again, never say that players CAN do so.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
Ooh ooh I could issue everyone but myself a yellow card JUST before resolving these elections! That would be a fun way to sew up the PM election. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:51 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's nothing >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's nothing restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to be publishing reports and judging finger-points. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Pardon me, but where

DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to issue a card? -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T wrote: > I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in > publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
I was given a Yellow Card for being tardy on a CFJ (I dunno if there are other cases though) On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:36 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > I believe this card is inappropriate because lateness is usually given > a green card. "A person SHALL NOT issue a Card unless: >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic] [also includes minor CoE]

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > 7896* P.S.S. [5]3.0 Registration Delay Fix P.S.S. 1 AP > FOR. CoE: this proposal seems suspiciously similar to mine. They were different ones. On another note, I'm trying to decide if the grammar error in 7896 would work anyway

DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
I believe this card is inappropriate because lateness is usually given a green card. "A person SHALL NOT issue a Card unless: the reason is appropriate for the type of Card being issued;". I point my finger at 天火狐 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Josh T wrote: > I

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic] [also includes minor CoE]

2017-09-10 Thread Gaelan Steele
If another email with this same exact subject line is sent from my normal email address [due to the email queue finally clearing up], disregard it. > On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > > ID Author(s) AI Title

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic]

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
> 7876* o 2.0 Float On o 1 AP FOR >7877* CB [1]1.0 Monsters CB [1] 1 AP AGAINST unused game mechanics. >1878* Gaelan1.0 Not So Cuddly NowAris1 sh. AGAINST > 7879* o, Aris 1.0 You

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pending Proletarian Rerevolution

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
I also note that you didn't specify how you pended v1, so that action failed. -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Oops. I forgot out the old version. Can we just let it self > ratify-itself away? The new version seems like it can be

DIS: Re: BUS: Pending Proletarian Rerevolution

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
Oops. I forgot out the old version. Can we just let it self ratify-itself away? The new version seems like it can be free standing. I also forgot to pend your other one before distributing, could you just pay Agora a shiny? -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Gaelan Steele

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Likely much like we do today lol. Roman grafitti is very funny and strikingly similar to us nowadays: http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/ > paste whenever I need it :P ) Actually I've been meaning to ask: how would a fellow Roman back in the day refer to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (i.e. informally)? Would it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Josh T
I suppose it's better than "Josh". Don't overdo it, I guess, but it's not like I can stop you. 天火狐 On 10 September 2017 at 20:58, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I'll do "Fox" then (much how I say PSS and not the full name every lol) > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
I'll do "Fox" then (much how I say PSS and not the full name every lol) On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/ > paste whenever I need it :P ) > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
(also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/ paste whenever I need it :P ) On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Thanks! I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration back > then, but couldn't find it. > > I think I'll add this as gratuitous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
Thanks! I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration back then, but couldn't find it. I think I'll add this as gratuitous arguments to that case log, so I'll know where to find it :). On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote: > I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't.

DIS: Re: BUS: Votes & Stuff

2017-09-10 Thread Josh T
Yeah, that's the one. CB: you get yourself a freebie since someone else dug it up for you. 天火狐 On 10 September 2017 at 20:12, VJ Rada wrote: > I cause 天火狐 using eir latest agency which I believe is 狐票店 but I make > no promises, to vote in the ADoP and PM elections in this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Josh T
I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it when the CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and provide a preferred reading. The preferred reading/transliteration is "amatsukagitsune" and translates to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
天火狐, would you be willing to supply either a transliteration of the Japanese sounds to your desired spelling, or go by "The sky fox"? (I think that latter choice is slightly off your desired translation IIRC). I'll respect it if you don't, but I'm always pausing to go copy and paste when

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3556 assigned to G.

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
3555 should really be reassigned, yup. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > To give another week on this while awaiting other judges: >I file a Motion to Reconsider the below judgement of CFJ 3556. > > On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
yeah e should be referred to as 天火狐 but it's not a memorable word. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports contradict > that and if they don’t they will

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Maybe change it so that the gamestate at any present time must be calculable from all current public messages. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > This means that absolutely no platonic actions happen. Are you sure > this doesn't break lots of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports contradict that and if they don’t they will in the future. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Eir agoran nickname is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes. > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T wrote: > I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the > header says. > > 天火狐 > > On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam wrote: > >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
For me those are the same. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Josh T wrote: > > I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the header > says. > > 天火狐 > > On 10 September

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Josh T
I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the header says. 天火狐 On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam wrote: > @Josh we really need that corkboard. > > I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency > and I'll add it as

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: protest voting intention

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
inb4 having only assigned rations of CFJs/Pends/etc is pretty much a Communist Agora in these parallelisms we're using. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Quazie wrote: > > I dislike free parking because it perpetuates the worst

DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
This means that absolutely no platonic actions happen. Are you sure this doesn't break lots of stuff? Example: "At the start of each month, person X CAN and SHALL Y in a timely fashion". This changes the gamestate such that person X can now do Y. On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: protest voting intention

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I like this and will happily pend it, if you do not mind. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Quazie wrote: >> I dislike free parking because it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Weather

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > Can we at least make this an agoran decision instead of rando. Nope. Where's the fun in that?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
@Josh we really need that corkboard. I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T wrote: > > Vote purchases/sells when > > Have you not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
Or pledge to eat an apple or w/e totally outside of public forums On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I belive V.J Rada refers to the fact that you can pledge not to share > information or the like, even privately. > > -Aris > > On Sun, Sep

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Josh T
> Vote purchases/sells when Have you not seen my latest Agency? 天火狐 On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, > to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens. > > Feels a bit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
I belive V.J Rada refers to the fact that you can pledge not to share information or the like, even privately. -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 4:48 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > plz allow for pledges > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> I

DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
This was needed ages ago. Ty for making it. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:46 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I create the proposal “No Telepathy” with AI 3 by Gaelan, with the > following text: {{ > Append the following sentence to the second-to-last paragraph of 478 > “Fora”: “Rules

DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
plz allow for pledges On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I create the proposal “No Telepathy” with AI 3 by Gaelan, with the following > text: {{ > Append the following sentence to the second-to-last paragraph of 478 “Fora”: > “Rules to the contrary

DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
Noted. You're not going to have much time; although given the 5ish new proposals, it might be a few hours. -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I create the proposal “No Telepathy” with AI 3 by Gaelan, with the following > text: {{ > Append the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens. Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself. >Loan Bank when >AP

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3558 assigned to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
ty for the notice. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I do plan to judge this TRUE and will publish an official judgement by > Tuesday. > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Weather

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
This promotor's report is gonna be monster. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:41 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > Can we at least make this an agoran decision instead of rando. > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> Let's throw the whole thing

DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Weather

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
Can we at least make this an agoran decision instead of rando. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Let's throw the whole thing up to fate. > > I submit the following proposal, "Shiny Weather", AI-2 and pend it with AP: > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
This is the direction that I am going with my ideas. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately > finance

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
I like this a LOT. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:30 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > We could go full libertarian style. Gov't owns no money, instead give > it all to players and private banks. No rewards, you get reports when > you pay for them. CFJs are removed and private arbitration

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
We could go full libertarian style. Gov't owns no money, instead give it all to players and private banks. No rewards, you get reports when you pay for them. CFJs are removed and private arbitration rules. New players get all their money from starting a goddamn business, or charity. On Mon, Sep

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
I like the idea of Agora being able to be in debt with players. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately > finance eir debt. > > Other ideas: > - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing

DIS: Re: BUS: Last minute pend: F it, let's print money.

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
I create the following proposal and pend it with infinity shinies: Title: The solution to inflation is to print more money AI: 3 Author: Cuddlebeam With 3 Support, a player can declare that "There is too much inflation". When this happens, double the Supply Level and cause a shiny relevelling

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately finance eir debt. Other ideas: - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one, as part of the float calculations possibly. - How about *deflation*. Allow fractional values, I'm curious if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
The reason Agora has a shiny crisis is that the number of existing players weren't accounted for when deciding how much the Supply Level should be. It really needed to be 2000, to give us more of a margin. Oh well. -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
There's also the problem that it's actually desirable to keep Agora as bone dry as possible, to manipulate the Floating Value. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:49 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > Maybe tie inflation to new players? So firstly add like an "emergency > fund" of 100 or so now,

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
I think doing karma would take a deeper look at all the SHALLs and SHOULDs to ask which ones should still be illegal versus left to karma - a deeper reform. Mean time, this version isn't that much different than current I'll probably go PRESENT on it. On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
It's time for Agoran Economy: Venezuela edition : P No but in seriousness, we have a single fixed price which is the Welcome Package, which I believe is to blame for most of the shiny drought. It's just too much in comparison to the total amount of shinies Agora has in total, imo. If we had more

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
Maybe tie inflation to new players? So firstly add like an "emergency fund" of 100 or so now, and then whenever a new player joins increase agora's balance by that %. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Note that any scheme that says you can get

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
How would you feel about it if nichdel’s changes were used? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > P.S.S., if you want this distributed this week you should pend it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
Note that any scheme that says you can get something for having less than a certain level of liquid assets can be scammed by two people passing their assets back and forth. in past economies, any form of progressive wealth distribution pretty much instantly led to tax avoidance contracts

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
i mean agora is broke and people cant get welcome packages. not like inflation matters that much because price of things that people actually buy is rulically fixed. ppl ain't exchanging w/ each other much rn. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Aris Merchant

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
P.S.S., if you want this distributed this week you should pend it now. Also, see my comments on "Not So Cuddly Now" regarding my views about this style of proposal. -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I submit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
My way will be automated in a variety of ways. If you would like to contribute, I can add you as a collaborator. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Woah. I was

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Karma is bootleg democracy though imo, but I like both (I believe popularity is extremely relevant anyway at nomic in general, regardless of if such a system enables it or not. It's a factor both at Blognomic and Agora at an informal level, and the informal level governs everything else imo.) On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more than that is a tad extreme, no? -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will > destabilize much if we double

DIS: Re: BUS: Dereg

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Snap, I missed this. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:37 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > Being without objection from my intent over 4 days ago, I deregister > sproklem. > > -- > From V.J Rada >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for example. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I am working

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3558 assigned to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I do plan to judge this TRUE and will publish an official judgement by Tuesday. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 5, 2017, at 8:11 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 10:06 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: >> I now,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for comment. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I like this idea, but how are things handled when Agora has too few shinies. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Nicholas Evans wrote: > > Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Nicholas Evans
Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0 stamps and less than the current stamp value in shinies can and may claim enough shinies to have whatever the stamp value was at 00:00 on the first of the month. On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary or other basic shiny supply is passed. On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: { > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Nic Evans
On 09/10/17 16:40, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I will definitely do this in the future. Would you recommend retracting this > and replacing it? > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com I don't think it's necessary, the intent seems unambiguous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I will definitely do this in the future. Would you recommend retracting this and replacing it? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > WRT to this style of proposal: > > > On 09/10/17

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-10 Thread Nic Evans
WRT to this style of proposal: On 09/10/17 16:30, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: { > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave > Agora > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644 > --- a/rules/How to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
Actually, the word democratization made me think of another approach, it was called karma, and it worked pretty well most of the time as a nice social constraint and reward with occasioanal spats of tit for tat that were self-limiting, because if the combatants got out of hand, others would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Nic Evans
On 09/10/17 12:41, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both > the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying > to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer > can skirt the technical punishment while

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Proto: White Card: This card is appropriate for cases of unsportsmanlike contact where no other card is appropriate. This card can be (and only be) awarded by announcement which also contains a specification of a number and 3 support. The possessor of this card cannot perform any ruleset-granted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer can skirt the technical punishment while still being just as "bad". Going along with our

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Did you read the entire message? On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 09:43 Cuddle Beam wrote: > Sorry for the double post but I just got another idea: > > What if I made an Agency/Contract that let me be other people's > talking-proxy? If they deliberately lie, they wouldn't be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Sorry for the double post but I just got another idea: What if I made an Agency/Contract that let me be other people's talking-proxy? If they deliberately lie, they wouldn't be infringing "and it was made with the intent to mislead.", because I wouldn't have "made" the message with any intent,

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Do statements on a-d count? Do statements that people publish elsewhere, outside of Agora, also count? On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I retract the proposal "Truthfulness", and submit the following. > > --- > Title: Truthfulness v2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: SLR Ratification

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
Too much chance of there being a recent error we haven't caught yet. A year is rather paranoid, and six months would probably work fine. Then again, it doesn't hurt to be paranoid about things like this. -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:13 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > Why aren't we

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: SLR Ratification

2017-09-10 Thread VJ Rada
Why aren't we ratifying the current one? On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I submit the following proposal, and will pend it tomorrow right > before I distribute. For the reference all the new players, we used to > ratify the SLR every

DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Proletarian Revolution v2

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
Correction: all players, not Agora. -Aris On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > First, I'm distributing tomorrow (for clarity, between 12 and 24 hours > from now), and it would simplify my operations somewhat if you could > pend this before

DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Proletarian Revolution v2

2017-09-10 Thread Aris Merchant
First, I'm distributing tomorrow (for clarity, between 12 and 24 hours from now), and it would simplify my operations somewhat if you could pend this before then. Second, I'm concerned about the way you're handling organizations (and thus contracts). It seems likely to disproportionately and