Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, October 28, 2019 6:58 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 10/28/2019 3:27 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > Cons > > > > - > > > > -Soft-locks newer players out of writing proposals. They're likely to write > > duds that won't pass for a whil

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, October 28, 2019 7:04 PM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > On Mon, 2019-10-28 at 16:58 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 10/28/2019 3:27 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > > Cons > > > > > > - > > > > > > -Soft-locks newer players out of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Mon, 2019-10-28 at 16:58 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 10/28/2019 3:27 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Cons > > > > -Soft-locks newer players out of writing proposals. They're likely > > to write duds that won't pass for a while and this punishes them > > for that > > This in part

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 10/28/2019 3:27 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: Cons -Soft-locks newer players out of writing proposals. They're likely to write duds that won't pass for a while and this punishes them for that This in particular was solved (in one implementation) by making it cheaper for new pla

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
Oh that's right! I had that script I mentioned below spit out a version in XML format and played with it for a bit but I never used it much. I think omd, who did a stint before me, had a YAML version too. On 10/28/2019 4:42 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: Ah. You mentioned something about having th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Gaelan Steele
Ah. You mentioned something about having the ruleset in XML (of course, you mentioned that right after I parsed everything…), and I assumed that was part of some automation. Gaelan > On Oct 28, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 10/28/2019 3:06 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> Heh, it’

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 10/28/2019 3:06 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: Heh, it’s pretty standard. It happened with Rulekeepor too: G had some some sort of ruleset automation, which to be fair wasn’t public. I parsed his FLR into YAML and wrote the new code in Ruby. Alexis kept the YAML format and rewrote the code in Ha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, October 28, 2019 4:31 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 10/28/19 5:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > > > I am more interested right now in seeing more things to spend Coins > > on; the Coin balances are starting to feel like meaningless numbers. > > There was some di

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Gaelan Steele
Heh, it’s pretty standard. It happened with Rulekeepor too: G had some some sort of ruleset automation, which to be fair wasn’t public. I parsed his FLR into YAML and wrote the new code in Ruby. Alexis kept the YAML format and rewrote the code in Haskell, of all things. Trigon kept the YAML, bu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread Jason Cobb
On 10/28/19 5:20 PM, James Cook wrote: I am more interested right now in seeing more things to spend Coins on; the Coin balances are starting to feel like meaningless numbers. There was some discussion in September about times in the past where there were shortages, e.g. proposals were expensive.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread James Cook
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 01:51, Gaelan Steele wrote: > That’s a very interesting point, and one that I hadn’t considered. One > possibility would be to have a few days at the beginning of each week in > which only the person with the top reward (i.e. the “main” officeholder). > This would help in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread James Cook
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 01:43, Aris Merchant wrote: > This has been proposed before, IIRC, and consensus is against it for > two reasons (it’s possible I’m misremembering here, but all the > concerns are valid regardless). Firstly, many official duties are > essential to the game, and having them a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-28 Thread James Cook
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 01:38, Nch wrote: > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Saturday, October 26, 2019 7:31 PM, James Cook > wrote: > > > On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 15:23, Gaelan Steele g...@canishe.com wrote: > > > > > To be honest, I’m not sure I see the point. In my experience interim > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: banzai!

2019-10-28 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Mon, 2019-10-28 at 18:58 +, David Seeber wrote: > Ah OK! So, not just theoretical then, people have actually tried to > do this :D That is cool. > > Did/does anyone ever get away with stuff based on very close timings? My favourite bit of timing-based play: https://www.mail-archive.com/ag

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: banzai!

2019-10-28 Thread David Seeber
Ah OK! So, not just theoretical then, people have actually tried to do this. :D That is cool. Did/does anyone ever get away with stuff based on very close timings? David Seeber From: agora-discussion on behalf of ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk Sent: Monday, October

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: banzai!

2019-10-28 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Mon, 2019-10-28 at 18:50 +, David Seeber wrote: > I strenuously object to this notice of negative karma... XD > > I would like to extend a warm greeting to all Agorans and hope that > they have adjusted well to the recent clock changes (if applicable > {which countries change their clocks,

DIS: Re: BUS: banzai!

2019-10-28 Thread David Seeber
I strenuously object to this notice of negative karma... XD I would like to extend a warm greeting to all Agorans and hope that they have adjusted well to the recent clock changes (if applicable {which countries change their clocks, anyway?}) . Was also wondering, is there any sort of official

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2019-10-28 Thread James Cook
Correction: I got the threads mixed up between the following two items: > * There is debate about whether ais523 is a player. See thread > "Democracy". > * Jason Cobb, assuming eir ability to initiate an election for Speaker > was a bug, proposes a fix. Threads: "Democracy" and "CFJ -- Is ais

DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2019-10-28 Thread James Cook
This is a summary of events and discussion over previous Agoran week, 2019-10-21..27. It's intended to serve as a reference when building a more succinct and readable monthly or quarterly newsletter. I think it will be a lot easier to do something like that if the individual weeks have already bee