Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Fwd: [Arbitor] CFJ 3796 Assigned to omd

2020-01-31 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 9:25 PM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > > Gratuitous postmortem arguments on CFJ 3796: > > I don't think it's necessary to bring Rule 217 into this at all; scams > of this type simply can't work. I'll explain why I think that. > > Imagine that the city of Grand

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 18:18, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > Well, the outcome is defined by a calculation given by the rules. So > if, say, an AI=1 proposal has votes FOR equal to votes AGAINST, then > its outcome is REJECTED. So ratifying outcome means ratifying that > F>A. But what

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-31 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 12:21 AM James Cook wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 01:30, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion > wrote: > > then a legal fiction is established that the belief was true at the time of > > the earliest public message indicating the belief; and the gamestate is > > therefore

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Fwd: [Arbitor] CFJ 3796 Assigned to omd

2020-01-31 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
Gratuitous postmortem arguments on CFJ 3796: I don't think it's necessary to bring Rule 217 into this at all; scams of this type simply can't work. I'll explain why I think that. Imagine that the city of Grand Rapids, Michigan enacts an ordinance which states that, the United States Constitution

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 01:30, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > then a legal fiction is established that the belief was true at the time of > the earliest public message indicating the belief; and the gamestate is > therefore altered as though the belief had been true at that time, in

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Are we sure the first attempt at resolving the decisions didn't succeed? I've lost track. In case we're a the situation like Alexis outlined, where the first succeeds platonically and this one succeeds via self-ratification, I tried to work out what happened if these proposals were enacted twice.

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Chamber and Other Fixes

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 03:50, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > --- > Title: Promotorial Assignment > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: Aris > Co-author(s): > Chamber: Legislation > > Amend the rule entitled "Proposal Chambers" by adding the text > "If a proposal in the Proposal Pool has its

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Zombie proposals

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 03:25, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > Amend Rule 2574 (Zombie Life Cycle) by: > - replacing the first two paragraphs with: { > Any player CAN, with notice, putrefy player who has not made a public missing word? "putrefy a player" > announcement in the past 60

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-01-31 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 22:15, omd via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > 8316* Alexis 3.0 Zombie voting package > PRESENT; the fact that the new Rule 683 clause forces default votes to > be "valid" means that they could be submitted even by ineligible

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3805 Assigned to Aris

2020-01-31 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 18:17, Aris Merchant via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > I support. For those who don’t understand the reference, see [1][2] (at > > least I think the first one is part of it; I know the second is). > > > > [1]

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3805 Assigned to Aris

2020-01-31 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 3:10 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 15:37, Kerim Aydin via agora-official < > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > The below CFJ is 3805. I assign it to Aris. > > > >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 15:44, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 1/31/20 3:42 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > For the record, I just sent the case assignment message, it tripped my > > spam filter on the return so dunno if enough people

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Fwd: [Arbitor] CFJ 3796 Assigned to omd

2020-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 2:09 AM omd wrote: > This leaves the text as "inconsistent", and Rule 217 informs us to > augment it by the usual factors. In this case, "game custom" clearly > supports higher-power rules taking precedence over lower-power ones. > So does "common sense": the ruleset as a

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/31/20 3:42 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > For the record, I just sent the case assignment message, it tripped my > spam filter on the return so dunno if enough people will see the > assignment to make it public :) I got it. -- Jason Cobb

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
For the record, I just sent the case assignment message, it tripped my spam filter on the return so dunno if enough people will see the assignment to make it public :) On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:46 AM Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > > Notice of Honour: > +1

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
We're in boss just hold em off for a minute while I download the files. (nice on the "last activity" window didn't know where that part would show up) On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:22 AM Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > > Alright, one more try. I withdraw my CFJ, and submit this one: { >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/31/20 11:22 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > I Grumble Very Loudly, withdraw *that* CFJ, and submit the following one, now > wrapped at 68 (and, as an additional safety, uses ES6’s ` strings which > should work across lines): { > G really ought to make sure the string

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
this one is up now (again lmk if it looks like copy/paste errors happened). On 1/31/2020 8:22 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > I Grumble Very Loudly, withdraw *that* CFJ, and submit the following one, now > wrapped at 68 (and, as an additional safety, uses ES6’s ` strings which

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Deputisation timeliness

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 21:49, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > I have two other suggestions after thinking about how to reduce Cyan > Ribbon shenanigans and make it a more interesting thing to obtain that > genuinely requires working the officer's duties. First, make it so that a > player

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Help with Forgotten Announcements, Support Improvements

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 21:46, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > 3. Replacing "The action is to be performed with N Agoran consent, and > the number > of Supporters of the intent is less than or equal to N times the number of > Objectors to the intent." with "The action is to be performed

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
I Grumble Very Loudly, withdraw *that* CFJ, and submit the following one, now wrapped at 68 (and, as an additional safety, uses ES6’s ` strings which should work across lines): { G really ought to make sure the string (window.location. href.includes('?'))?window.location.href= `

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Help with Forgotten Announcements, Support Improvements

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 02:46, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:45 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business > wrote: > > Enact a new power-1 rule entitled "Default Mechanisms" reading as follows: > > I feel like this makes more sense in a high-power rule so it doesn't > break

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
G. wrote: > Pasted that one in the 3805 record, still getting bad line breaks it looks > like unless I made a copy/paste error? I could alter line breaks by hand but > I'm purposefully not gonna help you there (this is a script insertion > challenge not a social engineering challenge...) Mm,

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Pasted that one in the 3805 record, still getting bad line breaks it looks like unless I made a copy/paste error? I could alter line breaks by hand but I'm purposefully not gonna help you there (this is a script insertion challenge not a social engineering challenge...) On 1/31/2020 6:43 AM,

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Thesis Committee for twg

2020-01-31 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 22:37 Alexis Hunt via agora-official < agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to award twg the Patent Title of Associate > of Nomic, subject to the conditions that the person performing the award > pursuant to this intent is the Herald, the

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread omd via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 11:32 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Drat kinda boring: > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3805 The word wrapping broke the script.