Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting

2009-10-13 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:40 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Thus forcing me to attempt to use a scam before it's been j remind me to vote on such proposals in the future to avoid these quorum games. though I probably would have voted AGAINST, as it's not nice

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting

2009-10-13 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 16:30 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: I vote FOR on the decision on whether to adopt proposal 6514. Thus forcing me to attempt to use a scam before it's been judged whether it worked or not (Murphy could resolve the proposal as ADOPTED right

DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] NomicWiki

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Walker wrote: NomicWiki has been updated as per my Ambassador duties. Any comments or requests for addition to the page are welcome. PerlNomic no longer participates. LiveNomic used to (I assume the recent claim to terminate/deregister the LNP were effective). The FRCommittee awards points

DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] NomicWiki

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Walker wrote: NomicWiki has been updated as per my Ambassador duties. Any comments or requests for addition to the page are welcome. Oh, and AgoraTheses should include http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2007-November/008338.html for a Bachelor of Nomic

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Chamber (Caste Replacement)

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Walker wrote: Chamber is a proposal switch, possessed only by proposals which are in the proposal pool or have an ongoing Agoran Decision to adopt them, tracked by the Promotor, with values Green (default), Red and Purple. In the same message in which a player

Re: DIS: NoV issue?

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Sgeo wrote: [[A player CAN publish a Notice of Violation (with N support, where N is the number of valid un-Closed Notices of Violation e previously published during the same week, or by announcement if N is zero) alleging that a single entity (the Accused) has broken

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Accusations

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: I humbly request the CotC refuse the excess cases initiated above. That would effectively dismiss some of the charges; should the CotC have the power to arbitrarily impose an upper limit on the severity of criminal punishment? That sounds like a job for

DIS: Re: BUS: Epimenides is boring, wh at about Gödel?

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: Note that both of the above CFJs are Disinterested. I believe that this is appropriate, since they appear to be trivially UNDECIDABLE and FALSE respectively. Crap, how did I miss this change? Will review archives and patch the DB; the possibly-affected CFJs are

DIS: Re: BUS: Epimenides is boring, wh at about Gödel?

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: Pavitra wrote: Note that both of the above CFJs are Disinterested. I believe that this is appropriate, since they appear to be trivially UNDECIDABLE and FALSE respectively. Crap, how did I miss this change? Will review archives and patch the DB; the possibly-affected CFJs are

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6517-6521

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: 6520 O 1 1.0 ais523 Open-ended duties are bad FOR x 12 6521 O 0 1.0 BobTHJ Flag Anarchy FOR x 12 According to my records, your caste is Savage, and Wooble is Chief Whip. If you play cards to change your voting limit, please remind me to add some/all

DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] Revised Caste report

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Tiger wrote: Savage: (Voting Limit: 0) - ə coppro The LNP The Normish Partnership II *The People's Bank of Agora IBA CoE: The LNP was allegedly deregistered on Sat 10 Oct 12:35:05 UTC.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Chamber (Caste Replacement)

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Also, oi, another revision to the Assessor scripts (albeit a minor one). I do not believe that the effect on a programmer's ability to program the game state should be a valid reason why Agora should choose to support/oppose a given rules change. I haven't

DIS: Minor update to CotC DB

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Mostly in case it affects c.'s mirror: * matters.interest is now null for CFJs pre-dating IIs * viewcase.php and format.php both display II whenever it's non-null (Previously, these were 1 and not equal to 1 respectively.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Recusals

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
c. wrote: Heh, here's mine: Is this for 2696 or 2698 or both? I'm throwing it in as gratuitous arguments (already have done for Pavitra and 2706).

DIS: Judge status

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
There are still 10 inquiry cases and 3 criminal cases requiring judges, and we have all of 5 active non-supine players. Anyone else want to jump in before the next rotation?

DIS: Suggestion for the Janitor

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
R2215: s/that is effective/that it is thereby effective/

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ratification of disclaimered documents

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Murphy
c. wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: [If e.g. a report saying X has either Y or Z widgets is ratified, then if X had Y widgets, then e still does; if X had Z widgets, then e still does; if X had neither Y nor Z widgets, then that needs

DIS: [Fwd: Original text of Futuremyartug contract? (was [frc] Re: amicus curae])

2009-10-07 Thread Ed Murphy
Original Message Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frc] Re: amicus curae From: Ouroboros wurm.ourobo...@gmail.com To: Fantasy Rules Committee frc-p...@googlegroups.com This morning I received a package from the Library and Consolidated Archives of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: another partnership intend

2009-10-07 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:22, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: I deregister the LNP. Fails. The LNP is still a person for 7 days following c.'s departure. BobTHJ It is no longer a partnership regardless of whether c. is a party or not. Why isn't it a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: No Rest Multiplication

2009-10-05 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 06:46, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I submit the following AI-2 proposal, No Rest Multiplication: {{ In Rule 2262, replace: * Stool Pigeon - Indicate a player who has not been indicated for this card

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6514-6516

2009-10-03 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 13:05 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: 6515 O 0 1.7 ehird No FOR (this should surprise no one) You really think it's good for Agora to exile one of its more active players for a minimum of several months? Even if 6515 passes (doubtful), if you cut

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2009-10-03 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: 2009/10/2 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: I CFJ on: The Short Logical Ruleset is neither short nor logical. Arguments: Short is a relative term. It is certainly short compared to its companion, the Full Logical Ruleset. It is also logical, i.e. it has meaning when applied

DIS: Re: BUS: Status of BobTHJ's appeals

2009-10-03 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: On 10/3/09 11:30 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: In 2674a and 2674b, Walker and ais523 opined REMAND, the other three panelists didn't opine on time. Overtime period is in progress; Justiciar woggle can publish a Justiciar's Opinion of REMAND, otherwise I'll make the panel REMAND after

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Acting Grand Poobah] Deck of Government Report

2009-09-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Tiger wrote: 2009/9/25 Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com: Roger Hicks wrote: I act on behalf of Tiger to publish the following: I publish an NoV alleging that BobTHJ violated Rule 2215, a power-1 rule, by having made a public statement on a matter relevant to the rules (that e acts on behalf of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Acting Grand Poobah] Deck of Government Report

2009-09-25 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: How does this not satisfy R2263(a)? Note the clauses of R2263 are ORed. Also note R2263(c) doesn't require specifying which public contract is enabling the action (though it's certainly a good idea to minimize disputes).

DIS: Re: BUS: R101(vii)

2009-09-24 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: CFJ: {A player that hard deregisters (totally dissociating themselves from the game with eir R101(vii) right, as opposed to the action of deregistering) is a person.} Arguments: The rule paints it as a dichotomy: either you can R101(vii)-deregister, or you can continue to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6495-6501

2009-09-23 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: 6498 O 0 1.0 c. I want to be Justiciar again! This was democratized, you can vote on it if you want.

DIS: Re: BUS: Scam #2

2009-09-21 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: CFJ, disqualifying ais523: ais523 has amended the Fantasy Rules Contest contract within the past 24 hours. I make this II-1. It already was, or am I missing something? I intend, without 3 objections

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2689 assigned to c-walker

2009-09-20 Thread Ed Murphy
Walker wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: Charles Walker wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: == CFJ 2689 == The most recent Scorekeepor's report

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2676 assigned to BobTHJ

2009-09-18 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: I recuse myself from this case. I thought I was Hanging? Was this a valid assignment? http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2009-August/023058.html

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6495-6501

2009-09-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Wooble wrote: 6497 O 0 1.0 BobTHJ Advertising Anarchy AGAINST * 2 Your VLOP is 1 due to coppro's recent Win by Clout. I'm pretty sure I still have an extra vote as Chief Whip. *checks

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2688 assigned to BobTHJ

2009-09-18 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: woggle wrote: On 9/16/09 12:08 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2688 = Criminal Case 2688 = ais523 violated the Power-1 rule 1742 by failing to act in accordance

DIS: Panels still can't be assigned

2009-09-18 Thread Ed Murphy
2674a/b - currently, only valid panelists are ais523, c., Murphy, Wooble 2679a - currently, only valid panelists are c., coppro, Murphy, Wooble

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-18 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: 2009/9/18 ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk: Arguments: So far there hasn't actually been a situation that needs resolving. I recommend a null judgement. (As comex says, this CFJ was submitted for anti-scam reasons (if a situation arises in the future a judgement to reverse it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2682 assigned to BobTHJ

2009-09-18 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 17:34 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: You seem to be missing the point here. This is not a matter of what is true and what is false. In this case, because of the way the rule is worded, there are two possible ways to interpret the rule. Both are equally viable

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6476 - 6494

2009-09-18 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 13:34, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Voting results for Proposals 6476 - 6494: 6481 depends on the state of the PNP: If the PNP has the non-c. text, then Pavitra and coppro vote AGAINST, and 6481 fails (3 FOR, 2 AGAINST). If the PNP has

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2678 judged TRUE by woggle

2009-09-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: I too recommend OVERRULE/FALSE, in part because the original judge says so, and in part because if we don't use OVERRULE for cases like this, where the correct answer is as trivial and obvious as it could conceivably be, then why do we even have OVERRULE and AFFIRM as valid

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: I vaguely remember a CFJ semi-recently about publishing NoVs, and whether someone was naturally capable of publishing an NoV since it was just a block of text and people can publish things, or if an otherwise unremarkable block of text was infused with the NoV-nature by the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6495-6501

2009-09-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: 6497 O 0 1.0 BobTHJ Advertising Anarchy AGAINST * 2 Your VLOP is 1 due to coppro's recent Win by Clout.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6495-6501

2009-09-17 Thread Ed Murphy
c-walker wrote: 6495 D 1 3.0 coppro FIXME AGAINST These are all ineffective, you were still inactive at the start of the voting period.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2688 assigned to BobTHJ

2009-09-16 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: On 9/16/09 12:08 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2688 = Criminal Case 2688 = ais523 violated the Power-1 rule 1742 by failing to act in accordance with the PerlNomic

DIS: Re: BUS: Sorry, mis-read my notes

2009-09-16 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: I intend, with 2 support, to appeal. The arguments indicate that the transfer failed, but the statement is ais523 owns a Dunce Cap card which should have been judged TRUE. I recommend REASSIGN, as coppro presumably just mis-remembered the statement as ais523 transferred a Dunce

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Appeals held up; proposal

2009-09-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: NoV: Justiciar woggle violated Rule 2158 (Power=2) by failing to assign a panel to 2670a. Was that the one that was recently ruled not to have been assigned even though the panel attempted to judge it? If so, UNAWARE would seem appropriate. I pointed

DIS: Re: BUS: Appeals held up; proposal

2009-09-16 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: On 9/16/09 5:12 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: NoV: Justiciar woggle violated Rule 2158 (Power=2) by failing to assign a panel to 2670a. I contest this. Arguments: I reasonably believed (and still believe) that CFJ 2670a does not exist and therefore I am not required or permitted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Supersize

2009-09-16 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: comex wrote: I amend Contract B to read: { This is a public contract and a pledge. comex CAN make arbitrary Contract Changes to this contract by announcement. If this contract is a contest, comex CAN and MAY award points at eir discretion, so long as the total number of

DIS: Another overlooked favoring

2009-09-15 Thread Ed Murphy
I also forgot to take CFJ 2680's favoring into account. This one was clearly not illegal, though (I couldn't assign a favoring judge because both were sitting, and Rule 1868 doesn't enforce favoring so strongly as to restrict the order in which cases are assigned). As one of the favoring parties

Re: BAK: DIS: Re: BUS: Ambassador Stuff

2009-09-14 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: You know, I haven't followed all the ins and outs of the arguments, but I really don't thing dependent actions have to be judged broken. Consider: Originally, the rule relied on a single list-based linguistic convention to decide whether the A, B, and C were logically 'A and B

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6476-6494

2009-09-14 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: (note to the Assessor: I am fully aware my voting limit is not 12) According to my records, your voting limit on ordinary proposals is 5.

Re: DIS: Proto: Demolish the House

2009-09-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Proto-Proposal: Demolish the House (AI = 2, please) [Replaces cards, effectively a few dozen single-use currencies, with a few multiple-use currencies.] I'm not ready to get rid of Cards yet. I want to explore some more of the places the concept could go

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6476-6494

2009-09-14 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: 6476 O 1 1.0 Yally No More Paradox PRESENT Your voting limit on ordinary proposals is 0 due to rests.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-14 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 13:03 -0400, comex wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: Note that I intentionally withheld an opinion, because my opinion would be to AFFIRM with an error rating. I'm still of the opinion that the conditions can

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6476-6494

2009-09-14 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: 6476 O 1 1.0 Yally No More Paradox PRESENT Your voting limit on ordinary proposals is 0 due to rests.

Re: DIS: Proto: Demolish the House

2009-09-14 Thread Ed Murphy
c. wrote: On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 2) Cards affecting voting limits on individual proposals (because the Assessor DB has no inherent provisions for dealing with that; I should revise it to take a snapshot of quorum and voting limits

DIS: Proto: Demolish the House

2009-09-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Demolish the House (AI = 2, please) [Replaces cards, effectively a few dozen single-use currencies, with a few multiple-use currencies.] Amend Rule 2255 (Major Arcana) by replacing this text: The Major Arcana is a deck of Position cards whose dealer is the Herald.

Re: DIS: Proto: Demolish the House

2009-09-12 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Need to change the forming of the government then. Amend Rule 402 (Identity of the Speaker) by removing the paragraph containing the Speaker CAN Form a Government. Amend Rule 2255 (Major Arcana) as previously specified, and by appending this text: Once per quarter, and

DIS: Re: BUS: PNP Voting

2009-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: This message serves to make votes on behalf of the PerlNomic Partnership (a public contract). I haven't seen anyone attempt to cause the PNP to re-register, so these are ineffective. Please let me know if I missed something.

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement

2009-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
c-walker wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Charles Walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 2675: FALSE Accepting this judgement, I do the following: I act on behalf of the LNP to cause it to intend, with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: Now that we have favoring, disfavoring, II, HemHawing, and posture to section judicial eligibility perhaps its time to assign judges randomly from among those eligible. This would help prevent judicial scams and also limit the CFJ to justicar, assign to self, judge as desired

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: I wasn't doing more than proto-ing this at the moment. However, out of curiosity, why? In the past there was made an argument that permitting the CotC to choose among the eligible judges allows assigning more experienced judges to more difficult cases, etc. However, Judicial

DIS: Re: OFF: [Justiciar] CFJ 2670a assigned to BobTHJ, Wooble, ehird

2009-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: Appeal 2670a Panelist: BobTHJ Decision: Panelist: Wooble Decision: Panelist: ehird Decision: I missed recording this in

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Justiciar] CFJ 2670a assigned to BobTHJ, Wooble, ehird

2009-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: comex wrote: Appeal 2670a Panelist: BobTHJ Decision: Panelist: Wooble Decision: Panelist: ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Three-tier voting limits

2009-09-08 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: With as easy as it is to democratize and/or veto a proposal using cards why not just make all proposal-decisions ordinary by default? Because then when someone breaks dependent actions you can just submit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Card plays and a proposal

2009-09-02 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:25, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Amend Rule 2259 (Hand Limits) by appending this text: As soon as possible after the beginning of each month, each dealer of a basic deck SHALL by announcement audit each entity who owns at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Card plays and a proposal

2009-09-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I play Arm-Twist, naming coppro and the decision on Proposal 6466. I play Arm-Twist, naming coppro and the decision on Proposal 6466. I play Arm-Twist, naming ehird and the decision on Proposal 6466. I play

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Card plays and a proposal

2009-09-02 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: Also, why 6466 anyway? I don't get what's so important about that proposal. Consider what happens when a smart-ass Justiciar assigns ID number 99. Just because we haven't had any chaotic ID numbers yet doesn't mean the concept isn't useful.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Kill it with fire

2009-09-02 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 07:37, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal: Kill it with fire (AI = 2, please) Terminate the contract known as Points Party at the time this proposal was submitted. Wouldn't this fail due to the retroactive effect? Why not just terminate

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Card plays and a proposal

2009-09-02 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: I wrote: I play Kill Bill, naming the decision on Proposal 6466. TTttPF You realize this undoes all your voting limit playing? Yes, the point is that much of that voting limit playing was botched due to Arm-Twist being worded wrong.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] Caste report

2009-09-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: XTiger (+2) X Chief Whip - number of votes gained after name CoE: you're not the Chief Whip anymore. Also, a standing request to whoever is the Chief Whip: please point it out when making use

Re: DIS: Position

2009-09-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: I just noticed that R208 uses the term position, which has since acquired a formal meaning in the Rules. Does this break anything? I don't think so. The formal definition doesn't attempt to exceed its intended domain (certain cards and their owners), so outside that domain, the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6461-6473

2009-08-31 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: 6466 O 0 1.0 coppro Chaos Cleanup FOR x 8 Your voting limit is 5.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6461-6473

2009-08-31 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: Sean Hunt wrote: 6473 O 0 1.0 coppro That Was Easy FOR x 8 I play On the Nod to rubberstamp this decision. AGAINST x my voting limit (I think 1). I have it at 2.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6461-6473

2009-08-31 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Pavitra wrote: Sean Hunt wrote: 6473 O 0 1.0 coppro That Was Easy FOR x 8 I play On the Nod to rubberstamp this decision. AGAINST x my voting limit (I think 1). I have it at 2. I was recently demoted to Epsilon. Voting limits are fixed

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2664 assigned to c.

2009-08-31 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2664 === CFJ 2664 (Interest Index = 2) The Ambassador has a weekly report

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: NOV Cleanup

2009-08-28 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 16:43, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: BobTHJ wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 16:15, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: BobTHJ wrote: The with N support mechanism for NOVs is very messy. This proposes to replace that with a simple with

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6441-6449

2009-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: 6443 O 1 1.5 Murphy Fix judicial demotion FOR x 12 I have your voting limit at 5. If it's higher, then please CoE the upcoming voting results and let me know why.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6450-6453

2009-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Schrodinger's Cat wrote: 6450 D 1 3.0 C-walkerWithout Objection Pool Removal AGAINST You're not an eligible voter on these because you weren't active at the start of the voting period.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PNP amendment

2009-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: 2009/8/27 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: I intend, without objection, to modify section 8 of the PNP agreement by replacing http://nomic.info/perlnomic; with http://www.normish.org/perlnomic;. Note that you can't resolve this intent due to P6448. Why not?

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: NOV Cleanup

2009-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: The with N support mechanism for NOVs is very messy. This proposes to replace that with a simple with support. It also removes the This would allow the CotC or Justiciar to launch a successful five-lights scam with just one other conspirator.

DIS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6441-6453

2009-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
c. wrote: Proposal 6448 (Democratic, AI=3.0, Interest=1) by BobTHJ Hand Limit Remodel v3 Append to the numbered list in R2124 (Agoran Satisfaction): {{ (4) The action to be performed is With Notice. }} All dependent actions other than those taken with notice are now IMPOSSIBLE. (The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: NOV Cleanup

2009-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
c. wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: True, but the problem with the 5-lights scam was not the NOV publication. It was the ability to publish, contest, CFJ, and sentence all in the same message. The with N support 'fix' for NOV publication attacked

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Grand Poobah Election Resolution

2009-08-24 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: You should also feel HUMILIATED if you didn't vote in this QUORUM-FAILING election! Especially if you missed the second, correct announcement and so got your vote dropped! HUMILIATION! What was quorum for this election, and for the Tailor

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Grand Poobah Election Resolution

2009-08-24 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: coppro wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: You should also feel HUMILIATED if you didn't vote in this QUORUM-FAILING election! Especially if you missed the second, correct announcement and so got your vote dropped! HUMILIATION! What was quorum for this election

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2009-08-24 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: 6. NEED NOT: Failing to perform the described action does not violate the rule in question. Note that this has a similar quirk to MAY. Consider: Rule 5001, Power=1: X MAY NOT Y. Rule 5002, Power=2: X MAY Y. Rule 5003, Power=1: X SHALL Z. Rule 5004,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Grand Poobah Election Resolution

2009-08-24 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: You should also feel HUMILIATED if you didn't vote in this QUORUM-FAILING election! Especially if you missed the second, correct announcement and so got your vote dropped! HUMILIATION! What was quorum

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2009-08-24 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: 6. NEED NOT: Failing to perform the described action does not violate the rule in question. Note that this has a similar quirk to MAY. Consider: Rule 5001, Power=1: X MAY NOT Y. Rule 5002, Power=2: X MAY Y. Rule 5003

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Grand Poobah Election Resolution

2009-08-23 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: You should also feel HUMILIATED if you didn't vote in this QUORUM-FAILING election! Especially if you missed the second, correct announcement and so got your vote dropped! HUMILIATION! What was quorum for this election, and for the Tailor election, and why? Based on recent

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: More Criminal Sentences

2009-08-23 Thread Ed Murphy
c-walker wrote: * FINE with an amount of one class of asset, appropriate for rule breaches of small consequence. An amount is only valid if the currency's backing document binds the ninny or the You may want to clarify Rule 2141's implication that the rules bind all

Re: DIS: test

2009-08-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: Testing PGP/MIME for readability. Looks fine here (Thunderbird 2.0.0.23)

Re: DIS: test

2009-08-23 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: Pavitra wrote: Testing PGP/MIME for readability. Looks fine here (Thunderbird 2.0.0.23) Clarification: the PGP stuff is not shown unless I select View Source; I have not attempted to do anything else with it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal: Banks

2009-08-17 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: A Bank is a public contract whose purpose includes facilitating a means of asset exchange between players. Any party to a contract CAN cause that contract to become a Bank without three objections. Which

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6438-6440

2009-08-16 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: 6438 D 0 2.0 coppro Dealer Cleanup PRESENT (s/POSSIBLE/POSSIBLE and LEGAL) 6439 D 0 2.0 coppro Deal Cleanup PRESENT (s/entity/player/g) 6440 D 0 3.0 coppro Want not NEED NOT AGAINST (exceeds intended scope of Janitor

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2009-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
c-walker wrote: CFJ, II 3: When a Rule is repealed, its Power is set to 0. Gratuitous: No, the rule simply ceases to exist.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Banks

2009-08-12 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: A Bank may own any rule or contract defined asset regardless of any s/may/CAN/ Any player CAN transfer a non-fixed asset to a Bank (as permitted by that Bank's contract) regardless of rules prohibiting the transfer of assets, however if the transfer of an asset is permitted

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: 2009/8/11 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: When you try to scam an office, you should expect reprisals Pot, kettle. What I meant to add (but may have mistakenly left out when I went on to discuss hypotheticals) is that, yes, I have tried to scam offices myself (sometimes

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/8/11 Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com: I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed? CotC, majorly. Do you mean overriding random assignments to get favorable judges or something more insidious? Because the former is

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/8/11 Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com: I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed? CotC, majorly. Do you mean overriding random assignments to

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/8/11 Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com: I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed? CotC, majorly. Do you mean overriding random assignments to

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: For an idea of how badly platonism isn't fail-safe, look up the Annabel Crisis, due to which ratification was invented. The concept of ratification dates back to at least Rule 352: http://agora.qoid.us/rule/352#521323 and a general mechanism was protoed as early as 1998:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 17:23, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: I deposit 2xDistrib-u-Matic, 1xDebate-o-Matic, 1xLocal Election in the IBA for a total of 170zm. Fails. The IBA is neither a player nor a contest and therefore can't own cards. Perhaps we should create a new class

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Rule 2226

2009-08-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: I CFJ on the following sentence. When a judge with judicial rank 0 has eir judgement overruled on appeal, then it is decreased by 1 and e CANNOT increase it for 30 days afterward. Evidence: Rule 2226 When a judgement is overruled on appeal, if

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