DIS: Re: Stamp Purchases on a-b (attn ais523, Gaelan)

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 4, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 13:18 -0700, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> * The Stamp Value is 5 sh. > > I transfer 5 sh to Agora to create a Stamp. On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Oops, I’m capped at a stamp per month.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7872-7845

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
I vote as follows: > ID Author(s) AI Title Pender Pend fee > --- > 7872* o 2.0 Estate Auction Cleanup o 1 AP FOR. > 7873* o, babelian 2.0 Agoraculture

DIS: Re: BUS: [APM] Action Point Marketplace - Buy and Sell other people's surplus Action Points!

2017-09-02 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 2, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Cheaper Prices and Earn Shinies by being Lazy! I like this a lot. This is a low-key way of turning something every Agoran has into a way to gain shinies. Thanks for putting this together. > --- > +--HOW TO BUY AP--+

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Organization Repeal

2017-09-02 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > I don’t support this. I see little harm in keeping an interesting game > mechanic in the ruleset, especially if we make it clear that it is not > necessary for beginners to understand. If necessary, we could add a rule > along the lines

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Organization Repeal

2017-09-02 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 2, 2017, at 4:08 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > > > On 09/02/17 17:37, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> I think we could upgrade Agencies to that they can hold Shinies themselves. >> With that plus proper Powers, they could operate extremely similarly to how >> I believe Organizations are intended t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

2017-09-02 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 2, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > > > On 09/02/17 18:28, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> Might as well: >> >> I bid 50 Shinies. >> >> My blurb is the following between the lines of asterisks: >> >> ** >> >> Calgiostro is a giant internet café tended by busty anime ca

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

2017-09-02 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 2, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > On 09/02/17 18:12, Nic Evans wrote: > >> I bid 15 shinies. > > Since this is already irrelevant and I don't intend to continue to be > annoying about it I'll just mention my working theory: > > 1) A matched bid stops the highest bidder from being

DIS: Severability

2017-09-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
Are proposal clauses severable? Specifically, if Proposal A in a batch repeals rule N, and Proposal B in the same batch amends rule N without considering what should happen if Proposal A passes, does the amendment happen, fail to happen, or invalidate all of Proposal B? -o signature.asc Des

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3553 reassigned to o

2017-09-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
Apple’s TouchBar is a bloody menace. Expect the full and correct judgement, on the correct list, shortly. -o > On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > First, the procedural parts, and a note: > > On Sun, 2017-08-13 at 20:42 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > >&

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3553 reassigned to o

2017-09-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
First, the procedural parts, and a note: On Sun, 2017-08-13 at 20:42 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > I point my finger at P.S.S. for violations of Rule 2143, which states > that: "A person SHALL NOT publish information that is inaccurate or > misleading while performing an official duty, or within

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Promotor draft report

2017-08-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 29 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> IDAuthor(s) AI Title >>> --- >>> pp1 nichdel, o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: money money money

2017-08-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
K’s shinies returned to Agora at the exact moment of eir deregistration, freeing up 50 shinies for other uses. The subsequent routine deregistration of two other players added another 100 to the pool, but that happened too late to be useful for G.. This worked fine, but it’s worth being careful

Re: DIS: explain floating value?

2017-08-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 28, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Oh - and welcome back! -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: explain floating value?

2017-08-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 28, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 28 Aug 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>>> Rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

2017-08-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
I agree with K. Really great work, and much appreciated. Gaelan, could you link the sentences in the summaries to the specific rule from which they’re drawn, for ease of reference? If not, I might have a crack at it, but I’m not going to have a ton of free time for a couple of weeks - I’m in Va

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

2017-08-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 24, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > >> # Repeal Organizations >> >> They’re moribund, really. No organization presently has more than one active >> member. > > This is hard for me because I really want multilateral entities to exist > within an economy, but I do see the point he

Re: DIS: explain floating value?

2017-08-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 28, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Rule 2497/0 (Power=1) >> Floating Value >> >> Floating Value is a natural switch. When e publishes eir Weekly Report, >> the >> Secretary SHALL flip the Floating Value to Agora's sh

Re: DIS: explain floating value?

2017-08-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 28, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Rule 2497/0 (Power=1) >> Floating Value >> >> Floating Value is a natural switch. When e publishes eir Weekly Report, >> the >> Secretary SHALL flip the Floating Value to Agora's sh

Re: DIS: explain floating value?

2017-08-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Rule 2497/0 (Power=1) > Floating Value > > Floating Value is a natural switch. When e publishes eir Weekly Report, > the > Secretary SHALL flip the Floating Value to Agora's shiny balance. > > > Questions on this: > > 1.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > like playing I Want To Be The Guy Steady on! Actually, I broadly agree with your overall thesis. Precedent and history are _important_, and I think it’s worth understanding why things are the way they are before tearing them down or rebu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:32 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > This has been a problem for me too, the game is very gerontocratic. Not rule > or rights-wise, but socially, in unwritten things. > > I thought that it was only an issue for me because I throttle too hard on > weird, fringe stuff but it's

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Overdue CFJs roundup

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > CFJs for which the status is more complicated (and I could do with a > summary of the current status for anyone who's aware of it): > > by o: 3537 If I was the judge at the time, then I resolved it (AFFIRM, of V.J Rada’s original FALSE verd

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Overdue CFJs roundup

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:04 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > > More interestingly, I believe some of those are more than a week > overdue. If failing to judge triggers the statute of limitations on > the point the judgments become overdue, these might be invalid. It depends on whether failing to complete

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Overdue CFJs roundup

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > CFJs that are definitely overdue: > > by Quazie: 3542 (and 3550 but that has special circumstances) > by Murphy: 3548 > by omd:3547, 3553 I point my finger at the following players for violating rule 591: * Quazie * Murphy * omd Having conf

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Elections

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 21:24 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:09 AM, V.J Rada wrote: >> >>> Because I am rather bored, I initiate elections for Prime Minister, >>> Herald and Re

DIS: Re: BUS: Elections

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:09 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > Because I am rather bored, I initiate elections for Prime Minister, Herald > and Report or by announcement. As this appears not to have “stuck,” and as V.J Rada specifically requested that someone finish the job: I initiate an Agoran decision to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3550 assigned to Quazie

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
That’s devious. -o > On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:15 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > > o, you could probably just use quazie's agency to judge your own CFJ. > Unethical but. > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Alex Smith wro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3550 assigned to Quazie

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 02:03 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Alex Smith >> wrote: >> >>>> I spend an action point, if it is possible for me to do so, to >>>> call

DIS: Re: BUS: Remarks and a few actions

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Josh T wrote: > > I'm kind of reluctant to spend my Shinies since I don't actually do the > things which award Shinies. Maybe when I'm not super busy with moving and > such I should deputize for Reporter and publish newspapers, but that doesn't > solve the probl

DIS: Re: BUS: Accounting error

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:14 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > 5 ShiniesQuazie > 50 ShiniesQuazie, This will be corrected in the next Secretary’s report, incidentally. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Registering

2017-08-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 1:03 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > You can also take Reportor by deputization as I deregistered while holding > the office. Why are there so many mechanisms for filling offices when there > are like 8 players? Good question! Historical reasons, but I’d be inclined to keep them

Re: DIS: Could someone please...

2017-08-22 Thread Owen Jacobson
Oh, snap. Good catch. -o > On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:36 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > I'm not a player > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Quazie wrote: >> Any player can actually initiate the decisions emself - either to deputize, >> or just via the election rules themselves >> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017

Re: DIS: Could someone please...

2017-08-22 Thread Owen Jacobson
You can. -o > On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:34 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > ...Use Quazie's agency to initiate the agoran decisions for the > elections I initiated months ago for Reportor, Herald and Prime > Minister > -- >> From V.J Rada signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2017-08-22 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:27 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > As an academic question, how do the current rules resolve welcome packages when Agora holds less than 50 shinies? K’s welcome package is complete, but there aren’t enough shinies left for the next one. > > I assume the parts of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Registering

2017-08-22 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:12 AM, Kyle Anderson wrote: > Thank you! I gladly except the Welcome Package of 50 Shinies. > > Any advice to get started? I’ve subscribed to the three lists: Business, > Official, and Discussion. I have read the meager information available on the > Agora Wiki, and hav

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Shorter Apologies

2017-08-22 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Aug 22, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Josh T wrote: > I don't exactly have a strong feeling one way or another, but given that one > is usually given ten words in a word list, writing nineteen other words for > each word on the list seems pretty doable. I wouldn't know, however—I'm not > the one writin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Shorter Apologies

2017-08-21 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 21, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 3:35 PM Owen Jacobson <mailto:o...@grimoire.ca>> wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > Title: Shorter Apologies > Author: o > AI: 2.0 > > {{{ > Amend

Re: DIS: Agoraculture Revision

2017-08-19 Thread Owen Jacobson
>Each Estate has a Farm switch, tracked by the Agronomist, with >values "farmed" and "unfarmed", defaulting to "unfarmed". Changes >to Farm switches are secured. An Estate whose Farmed switch is >"farmed" is a Farm, and its owner is the Farmer of that Estate. > >In the first w

DIS: Agoraculture Revision

2017-08-19 Thread Owen Jacobson
I’ve taken a pass at babelian’s Agoraculture proposal to try to bring it into line with Agoran rule-writing norms. I’d appreciate some feedback; I’ll try to submit something next week, unless there are huge showstoppers. Proposal Title: Agoraculture Author: o Co-authors: babelian AI: 2.0 {{{ E

DIS: Re: BUS: New Proposal: "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

2017-08-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
Hey, nichdel, do you have the phrasing you used in your proposal that Organizations should have a monthly maintenance fee? -o > On Jul 30, 2017, at 7:44 PM, Ajay Kumar Raja wrote: > > Proposal Title: Agoraculture v. 2.0 > Author: babelian > > Adoption Index: 2.0 > > > > Enact a rule with p

Re: DIS: Idea: Honesty

2017-08-16 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Things seem a tad slow at the moment, so I thought I'd try and shake > things up a bit. I suggest bringing back the old rule against lying in > public (they didn't apply to discussion fora). It seems like it might > lead to interesting g

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3551 assigned to o

2017-08-16 Thread Owen Jacobson
wrote: > > Could you give insight into this? > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > > > >> On Aug 3, 2017, at 2:05 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >> >> On Aug 3, 2017, at 1:12 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>

DIS: Re: BUS: Doomsday

2017-08-16 Thread Owen Jacobson
;> a Black ribbon. >> >> 天火狐 >> >> PS: I would love to see an argument that destroying Agora results in me >> earning a Black ribbon, thus making my objection not relevant. >> >> On 17 August 2017 at 00:50, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> >>&

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

2017-08-16 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Aug 17, 2017, at 1:20 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >>> On Aug 17, 2017, at 1:17 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> >>> Secretary's Weekly Report >>> >>> Balances: >>> &g

DIS: Re: BUS: Rewards

2017-08-03 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Aug 3, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-08-03 at 01:23 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> I claim the rewards for judging CFJs 3551 and 3552. >> >> {Agora: 85 -> 73 sh., o: 68 -> 80 sh.} > > "COE": You can't, they were p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3551 assigned to o

2017-08-02 Thread Owen Jacobson
"at least once" in the given time period. > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> I considered that, at least superficially, but note the “at least” in the >> definition of “weekly duties.” Even considering the common term “duty,” that >> “at lea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3551 assigned to o

2017-08-02 Thread Owen Jacobson
52 REQUIRED to fulfill ) and > therefore no duty. > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> >> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Alex Smith wrote: >> >> On Tue, 2017-08-01 at 16:34 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: >> I CFJ on: "If V.J. Rada pos

Re: DIS: Proto Proposal: Hodgepodge

2017-08-02 Thread Owen Jacobson
I would appreciate if you separated the change to Cards into a separate proposal. It is not minor, though it is a fix. Beyond that, this is grand. Thank you for undertaking this. I suspect that fix to 1728, in particular, is urgent. -o > On Jul 31, 2017, at 12:37 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > Titl

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3552 assigned to o

2017-08-02 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-07-31 at 15:37 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: >> CFJ: babelian has pended eir most recently submitted proposal. > > This is CFJ 3552, and was paid for (in a subsequent message) using AP. > I assign it to o. (Sorry

DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Smuggling (Again)

2017-08-02 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 2, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > On 07/30/2017 02:06 PM, Nic Evans wrote: >> Everything in the last attempt failed because I never had any shinies, >> stamps did not exist, and the mechanisms of ASaAA refered to were void at >> that time. So here they are again: >> >> Since

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-08-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 30, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > Thank you! I missed his reregistration. I only saw the one from May. This > clears things up. I’m intensely glad nobody mentioned this on -business, or called my attention to it in any way, until AFTER Proposal 7867

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Weekly Report

2017-08-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 3:03 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >>> On Jul 30, 2017, at 11:43 PM, V.J Rada wrote: >>> >>> Title: I can't believe I get paid for this Weekly Times. >

DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Weekly Report

2017-08-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 30, 2017, at 11:43 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > > Title: I can't believe I get paid for this Weekly Times. > > Reportor notices own position is sinecure, refuses to > work--- This is awfully close to violating one of the requirements of this office: > The Reportor's week

DIS: Re: BUS: Payment of Pending List Price for Proposal "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

2017-07-31 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 30, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Ajay Kumar Raja wrote: > I pay Agora 5 shinies to pay the Pending List Price for my proposal > "Agoraculture v. 2.0" to flip its Imminence switch to "pending". For the record, I _believe_ this attempt to pay Agora was ineffective, for reasons already discussed. If

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Uh oh

2017-07-31 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:35 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, V.J Rada wrote: >> Using AP damn it, using AP. >> > > We should probably add a default, or this is going to keep happening. Give it a few days to see if we develop habits, at least. Making “with AP” the def

Re: DIS: Uh oh

2017-07-31 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I think there's a scamable hole in the rule "Rewards". It says that the > reward for "Publishing a duty-fulfilling report" is "5 shinies". If you CoE > your own report, then it's your duty to revise it. The revision is also a > report,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7867-7868

2017-07-31 Thread Owen Jacobson
ll been given out? > What's the scam there? I'm not smart so... > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >>> On Jul 30, 2017, at 11:45 AM, nichdel wrote: >>> >>> Set every players's shiny balance to 0. >> >>

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] (Corrected) Resolution of Proposal(s) 7867-7868

2017-07-31 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 30, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > ID: 7867 > Title: Title: Economics Overhaul v2 > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: nichdel > Co-author(s): o, grok, Aris > > Set every players's shiny balance to 0. > > Set Agora's shiny balance to 1000. Some more commentary: by my reckoning, this e

DIS: Re: BUS: New Proposal: "Agoraculture"

2017-07-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 29, 2017, at 4:08 PM, Ajay Kumar Raja wrote: > Proposal "Agoraculture": I’m intensely positive about the bones of this proposal, and hope to see it developed into something we can enact. Voting strength is an interesting (bordering on dangerous) gameplay element, and this creates novel

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration as a player

2017-07-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sat, 2017-07-29 at 10:12 -0700, Ajay Kumar Raja wrote: > I would like to register as a player. Welcome to Agora! On Jul 29, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > Welcome! > > Just as a note, you normally have to be quite precise with your > language when taking actions in Agora (registrati

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

2017-07-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 28, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Nic Evans wrote: > > On 07/27/2017 08:30 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: >> I note that GII disturbingly requires the SLR to be _accurate_ for any of >> the actions to happen. What's the likelihood of that, when (according to >> itself) it hasn't been ratified in 3 yea

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: 3527 judgement

2017-07-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:29 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:39 PM, V.J Rada > <mailto:vijar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Here is my judgement of this CFJ, which has definitely already been judged. >> >> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 1:50

DIS: Re: BUS: Kickstart the new Economy

2017-07-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 25, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > I flip my budget switch with ASaAA to 10. This will oblige me to destroy ASaAA soon (r. 2461). I don’t think you want that, as this appears to be an interesting and active organization… -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with Op

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3537 reassigned to o

2017-07-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
Ah, quoting styles, one of the great old flamewars. Let’s re-light that cautiously, shall we? > On Jul 24, 2017, at 3:45 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > I reassign CFJ 3537 to o. The CFJ in question is on the statement > There is currently more than one auction for Estates. This was posited in th

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

2017-07-26 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > CoE: Gaelan paid me 2 shinies (through GII, when I published the Rulekeepor > report). Note the report’s effective date. (Sorry - I was out of town on short notice.) That payment will appear in this week’s report. -o signature.asc Descri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Less Strict Faking

2017-07-22 Thread Owen Jacobson
I’d be in favour of reducing it from a month to a week or two. I’m especially sympathetic to your case, as your original action that lead to your bankruptcy could easily have been entirely ineffective, and therefore harmless. -o > On Jul 22, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Quazie wrote: > > While you're a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Small round trip

2017-07-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
You might be surprised at this, but I'll be sad to see you go, and glad if you return. While I agree with others that certain ideas you've tried were poorly thought out at best, and that you carried them on far longer than was wise, in other respects you've shown some interesting capacity for ex

DIS: Referee Archives

2017-07-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
Would it be useful to archive Referee decisions and arguments, as we do with Calls for Judgement? -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: public private contracts

2017-07-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 20, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > o, you seem to have accepted that a pledge in Japanese, of very limited > comprehension to me, and with limited enforceability due to translation issues > (even with the translator) is still some kind of publicly-made pledge. Why > does > this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer gives a win to everyone and then hopes to be given one too.

2017-07-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 10:37 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-07-20 at 22:11 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> Attempting, as Cuddlebeam explicitly did, to issue Trust Tokens on >> behalf of others, without even the faintest attempt to find >> justification i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer gives a win to everyone and then hopes to be given one too.

2017-07-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 10:33 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-07-20 at 19:19 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: >> I agree with this carding. CuddleBeam has repeatedly shown that e >> cares neither about the feelings of the other players, nor about the >> interests of the game. As the player who s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Less Strict Faking

2017-07-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 11:02 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-07-20 at 22:52 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >> ibonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I pend this fo

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Less Strict Faking

2017-07-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > I pend this for the minimum allowable amount. As the proposal’s imminence had already been flipped to Pending by V.J Rada, I believe that this fails and will record that you paid nothing to do nothing unless someone

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Surveyor] [Probably] Weekly Report

2017-07-20 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:14 AM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > I Point a Finger at Cuddlebeam for a violation of R2471 for attempting > to publish a Surveyor report when e was not the Surveyor. As > Cuddlebeam has had over a week since the CFJ ruling that e was not the > Surveyor and one week since I

DIS: Re: BUS: public private contracts

2017-07-19 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:06 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2017, Alex Smith wrote: >> My disagreement with o here is that I don't believe that G. has pledged >> to perform any /specific/ action; e's simply pledged to perform /some/ >> action that meets the given description. If

Re: DIS: humble agoran farmer doesn't break a pledge

2017-07-19 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > Yes I agree with that, but due to that, it still describes a success case. > With this example I hope its more clear: > > Imagine we didn't have R7866 as it is now., and I post: > > "I pledge will give Bob 1 shiny after he gives me an Esta

Re: DIS: humble agoran farmer doesn't break a pledge

2017-07-19 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> Ah, oh well. No thoughtcrime then lol (would'be been bizarre but super cool >> though). >> Just the original loophole then, I assume, because "legal consideration" is >> all it >> takes to

Re: DIS: [Proto] Vexity (was Re: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.)

2017-07-19 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:58 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>A person whose Vexity is zero may initiate a Call for Judgement by >>announcement. A person whose Vexity is not zero may initiate a Call >>for Judgement with N Agora

Re: DIS: [Proto] Vexity (was Re: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.)

2017-07-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
> Add a new rule, titled "Vexity", with Power 2 and the text > >Vexity is a natural person switch, tracked by the Referee. The >default value of a Vexity switch is zero. Changes to a player's >Vexity are secured. Changes to a person’s Vexity are secured. -o signature.asc Descripti

DIS: [Proto] Vexity (was Re: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.)

2017-07-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > Extensive use - some might even say abuse - of the Call for Judgement system > to test abstruse philosophical matters, rather than to resolve bona fide > gameplay disagreements, will inevitably have a chilling effect on p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3541 assigned to grok

2017-07-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
ng, if I failed, i'll likely do > something else to pay em for eir time. > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:42 PM Alex Smith <mailto:ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk>> wrote: > On Tue, 2017-07-18 at 17:34 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:26 PM, Alex Smith

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

2017-07-18 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 9, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > I point my finger at CB for failure to treat Agora Right Good Forever. > > I previously deregistered because I thought my explosive response to CB > was my own issue, that e needed time to adjust, and I needed time to > cool off. But I'm now convinc

DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

2017-07-17 Thread Owen Jacobson
that CFJ (which is also a > pledge): > > - I pledge to pay 20 USD (to be transferred by Paypal) for a shiny. > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:03 AM, Owen Jacobson <mailto:o...@grimoire.ca>> wrote: > On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie <mailto:quazieno...@gmail.com>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

2017-07-17 Thread Owen Jacobson
> > - I pledge to pay 20 USD (to be transferred by Paypal) for a shiny. > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:03 AM, Owen Jacobson <mailto:o...@grimoire.ca>> wrote: > On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie <mailto:quazieno...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > I pay ni

DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Get this information into your brain locations

2017-07-17 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 12:38 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > Nichdel fixes judiciary > He also fixed the economy last week. Easy game easy life. > No but really he has a proto proposal (soon to pend) about > shinies, making them more usable (and restricting CFJs a > bit, and making proposals slig

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

2017-07-17 Thread Owen Jacobson
ice > of an estate. > > For a practical answer, I have an extra loaf in my pantry I'd be willing to > mail out... > > > -grok > > On Jul 17, 2017 9:55 PM, "Owen Jacobson" <mailto:o...@grimoire.ca>> wrote: > Indeed. What’s the pri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

2017-07-17 Thread Owen Jacobson
m>> wrote: > If this CFJ is true then all officers work for a very low rate of ~10 cents a > month - which to me is bonkers. > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 19:03 Owen Jacobson <mailto:o...@grimoire.ca>> wrote: > On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie <mailto:quazieno...

Re: DIS: Two Related Protos: Judicial Expansion and Criminal Cases

2017-07-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 14, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Nic Evans wrote: > On 07/14/17 03:24, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> This is startlingly close to the notion of an equitable remedy, in the >> judicial sense. You may well be reconstructing contract law, but from the >> courts backwa

Re: DIS: Two Related Protos: Judicial Expansion and Criminal Cases

2017-07-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > As for crimes themselves, what follows is the proto text: > > { > > Crimes are divided into Classes, and Levels. Each Class specifies > general qualifications and appropriate punishments. Low Level > crimes are variants that occur through neglige

Re: DIS: The clearest rule text I've ever written - and I think it works...

2017-07-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 3:11 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Alex Smith wrote: >> On Mon, 2017-07-10 at 11:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> >>> [Keep in mind I meant well...] >>> >>> Default is a Switch switch tracked by the tracker of that switch >>> with possi

Re: DIS: Idea Dump: RPG Proto, Joint Advertisement/Coordinating with Blognomic, More Thesis Ideas I really want to do

2017-07-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > - RPG Proto (going off Kerim's idea): > Dungeonkeepor Office, generates mobs, an amount of players need to fight it > by announcement and surpass the power of the whatever evil thing. Think > Munchkin. Quick, simple, no turns whatsoever. On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

2017-07-13 Thread Owen Jacobson
tly the result is reasonably well-received, although I think o is the > only person whose been on the receiving end of my lists. > > 天火狐 > > On 14 July 2017 at 00:58, Owen Jacobson <mailto:o...@grimoire.ca>> wrote: > On Jul 9, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Aris Merchant <mailto:thoug

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

2017-07-13 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > I would support, with a fair implementation. > > I point my finger at CB for failure to treat Agora Right Good Forever. > > I previously deregistered because I thought my explosive response to CB > was my own issue, that e needed time to adjus

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

2017-07-13 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 8:53 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > Via "An asset generally CAN be transferred (syn. payed, given) by its owner > to another entity by announcement", I announce that I transfer all assets to > myself. Absent a CFJ to the contrary, I see no way this can possibly work as evidentl

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ judgement

2017-07-13 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 2:34 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > > Fun fact: when an organization is transferred an Estate, it can never leave. > rito plz. Are you sure? Rule 2489 (“Estates”) purports to handle that case: > A player may cause an Organization which owns an Estate to transfer that > Estate to

DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Report

2017-07-06 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > I award o a Gray Ribbon (mostly as a reward for eir work as an > officer). My thanks! -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

DIS: Re: OFF: Redistribution of Proposal 7866

2017-07-05 Thread Owen Jacobson
I vote as follows: > ID Author(s)AI Title Pender Pend fee > --- > 7866* o, Quazie, [1] 1.7 More Betterer Pledges[2] o 6 sh. FOR. I’ll happily take on faith that it’s

DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7865-7866

2017-07-05 Thread Owen Jacobson
I vote as follows: > ID Author(s)AI Title Pender Pend fee > (sh.) > --- > 7865* Aris, o, [1] 3.1 Regulations v4 Aris 6 FOR. > 7866* o, Quazie, [2] 1.7 More Bet

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer gets ribbons and holds auctions

2017-07-05 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 4, 2017, at 9:07 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > I deputize for the role of Surveyor and put Cagliostro up for Auction. > (Arguably, its past the "start of the month”.) I skimmed the ensuing thread. I’m honestly in no position to tell whether your attempt to deputize succeeded. I’m less than se

DIS: What's the Power of a cultural touchstone?

2017-06-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
One of Suber’s remarks is interesting, at this juncture: > If appropriate qualifications are made for the informality of custom and > etiquette, a case could be made that normal social life is just a system of > indefinite tiers. Near the top of the "difficult" end of the series, below > entren

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