Re: DIS: Not really up to the task

2009-09-22 Thread comex
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Card recordkeeping was harder than I thought. As you might have noticed, I have not yet produced a single correct report It looks to me like you're both making mistakes: some of his CoEs against your Government

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6476 - 6494

2009-09-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Admitted.  6476 is hereby adopted: You already announced this. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Darth Cliche reregisters

2009-09-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: I was gunning for MALFORMED. -coppro I don't think MALFORMED is ever an appropriate judgement. If the statement is malformed, the case can't be initiated. -- -c.

DIS: o...@?

2009-09-21 Thread comex
Am I party to the Points Party? The Notary wiki says no, but I believe I joined it in this message: http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-busin...@agoranomic.org/msg13437.html

Re: DIS: My Reports

2009-09-21 Thread comex
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: I hereby formally apologize to the Agoran community for not issuing reports for my offices during last week. I ended up being in the hospital for over a day (my wife was in labor) which sucked most of my free time out of

DIS: Re: BUS: Supersize

2009-09-20 Thread comex
at 21:26 -0400, comex wrote: I amend Contract B to read: { This is a public contract and a pledge. comex CAN make arbitrary Contract Changes to this contract by announcement. If this contract is a contest, comex CAN and MAY award points at eir discretion, so long as the total number of points

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BAK: Yay for dependent action scams

2009-09-20 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2009, at 5:37 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: As for your two-possibilities argument; giving notice that there's a possibility that something might happen is still notice. There are two possibilities; but if either leads to something happening,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BAK: Yay for dependent action scams

2009-09-19 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2009, at 5:17 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: First, here's the scam that was basically guaranteed to work at least partially, and it did. (The others can wait.) Points Party requires 4 days notice for me to be able to amend it (not With

DIS: Re: BUS: A Minor Change

2009-09-19 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: I change my nickname to Walker. So, you subtracted me?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BAK: Yay for dependent action scams

2009-09-19 Thread comex
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: And yes I meant to use the G. is a player precedent for this; a kibitzer can still be an anti-scammer, c. :) :) Nice. Did you predict he would do something like that? -- -c.

DIS: Re: BUS: Scam #2

2009-09-19 Thread comex
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 4:46 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: (/me watches as people turn around their arguments and start claiming it isn't a dependent action after all.) sure it is. 16:47 comex without member objection = without 1 objections, with the eligibility restriction

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BAK: Yay for dependent action scams

2009-09-19 Thread comex
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, ais523 wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-19 at 13:13 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: If I say I intend to take the train to Buffalo I have not made any implication, announcement of intent, nor given any notice

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BAK: Yay for dependent action scams

2009-09-18 Thread comex
in which crops and WRV are deposited matters significantly when determining your resulting zm. I recommend that comex reject this deposit for not being specific enough. For AAA and recordkeeping purposes I am considering it to have failed unless comex expresses otherwise. Based on the above deposit

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6476 - 6494

2009-09-18 Thread comex
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: There are two possible scenarios: 1. Wooble was unable to gather the required consent to amend the PNP to point to the new instance. Since the nomic.info instance was down there were no  registered PerlNomic players, and

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6476 - 6494

2009-09-18 Thread comex
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal 6476 (Ordinary, AI=1.0, Interest=1) by Yally No More Paradox Amend point d of Rule 2143 to read:      For every non-IADoP report, the date on which it was last      submitted. Amendment fails because there is

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2686-87 assigned to Wooble

2009-09-17 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:48 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: [[Re-adds a weekly time period to the rule; it was accidentally removed by proposal 6369.]] Murphy already submitted such a proposal. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election

2009-09-17 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: Since nobody responded to this inquiry I'll treat this message as if it was processed on Sept 15, 00:59 UTC (this seems to be when it finally cleared the list).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:35 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: (An even more surprising example: suppose we abolished the proposal system and instead had a change the rules via Agoran Consent rule. Oops, rule 1698 stops this; intent isn't an action, so there's no combination of

DIS: Re: BUS: Using a word confusion for the heck of it

2009-09-17 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If I am a player, I deregister.  (was not planning on playing until after my vacation next week at the earliest, and ais523's mousetrap is making me nervous). Come back soon! I'm no good as an anti-scamster. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Sorry, mis-read my notes

2009-09-16 Thread comex
Wait, what? Why not REMAND? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:26 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 11:20 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/9/16 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: coppro wrote: I assign myself as judge to CFJ 2679, and I judge

DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivations

2009-09-15 Thread comex
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: Having received no objections, I make all the quoted players inactive. /me is a lonely cow :( -- -c.

Re: DIS: Proto: Demolish the House

2009-09-14 Thread comex
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:  2) Cards affecting voting limits on individual proposals (because     the Assessor DB has no inherent provisions for dealing with that;     I should revise it to take a snapshot of quorum and voting limits     when

DIS: oh and

2009-09-11 Thread comex
Rule 2156 takes precedence over Rule 2260 so both Roll Call and Arm-Twist are broken at the moment. -- -c.

Re: DIS: oh and

2009-09-11 Thread comex
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 06:03, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: Rule 2156 takes precedence over Rule 2260 so both Roll Call and Arm-Twist are broken at the moment. There's no conflict. R2156 establishes voting limit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely, and that is exactly what I am trying to prevent in this case. I believe that dependent actions ARE NOT broken. I have interpreted the rule differently than comex. By preventing this judgment from moving

Re: DIS: BUS: Card trades

2009-09-09 Thread comex
On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:28 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Because the banks are kind-of weird to understand right now, let's settle for some old-fashioned haggling. I'm willing to consider trading the following cards for something of roughly equal value: Distrib-u-matics Kill

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2009-09-09 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: - If you take a Bayesian standpoint (with the process probabilities as your priors) you come to the conclusion that 1/Nth of each possible types of N cards were destroyed. Since this is IMPOSSIBLE

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2674 assigned to woggle

2009-09-09 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: I appeal this case. By custom Agora has permitted new officers a full ASAP period to fulfill outstanding obligations. You keep making that claim. I personally think that this custom doesn't apply

Re: DIS: BUS: Card trades

2009-09-09 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/9/9 comex com...@gmail.com: I'd appreciate suggestions on reducing the weird/confusing aspect..

Re: DIS: Flagrantly illegal

2009-09-05 Thread comex
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:50 PM, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Obviously this would be a socially unacceptable scam, but would it work? The only flaw I can see is that a judge might be persuaded to allow separate criminal penalties for each illegal draw, but historically that hasn't

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2676 assigned to Wooble

2009-09-05 Thread comex
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2676 ==  CFJ 2676  ==    It is POSSIBLE to CoE on the identity of a message posted by the    PerlNomic

Re: DIS: Flagrantly illegal

2009-09-04 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: BJS self-deals (in the past and again in the future once I fix them to function correctly) are each made with a disclaimer indicating that the deal is only valid if you are in fact owed the card. Such

DIS: Re: BUS: Carding

2009-09-03 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: Bah, just because you can doesn't mean you should. I saw this scam a while ago but didn't want to exploit it because it doesn't do much other than make people annoyed. I don't think it's meant as a scam--

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] Deck of Government report

2009-09-03 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: CoE: I missed calling this on your last report. The Lost Found has 6 Roll Calls, not 3. (3 from Randy Olshaw, 1 from Ben Daniel, 2 from Modulus) Eir last report has ratified, hasn't it? -- -c.

DIS: testing: iba.qoid.us

2009-09-03 Thread comex
http://iba.qoid.us/ It's for planning out IBA deposits and withdrawals. Click the arrows to transfer assets between the IBA and yourself; you can see how many zm you would gain or lose, and if you're lazy like me you can copy and paste actions for an email. By default, it only knows how many

DIS: Re: BUS: Various actions

2009-09-03 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: Below is a summary of actions taken in that message. If for some reason that message never reached the list I perform the actions indicated by the following logs: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:41 - SoA creates 8 random crops in

DIS: Re: BUS: Various actions

2009-09-03 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Pavitracelestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: I deposit my other three Absolv-o-Matics, as well as Debate-o-Matic and Arm-Twist, with the IBA. (I think this gets me 45*3 + 20 + 45 = 200 zm for a total of 903, but if not then I do so anyway. All actions maximally

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PNP Contract Change

2009-09-03 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: You can only become a party by becoming an active player on nomic.info, as specified in the contract.  Since nomic.info resolves to a Slicehost IP running a competely different site, that could be tricky. Well, the

DIS: Error

2009-09-02 Thread comex
http://nomic.bob-space.com/agoralog.aspx -- -c.

DIS: Re: BUS: PNP Contract Change

2009-09-02 Thread comex
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:35 PM, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Gratuitous: Although I did in fact review this intent (as can easily be determined from PerlNomic's logs), I didn't have a reasonable opportunity to review it (a few hours is not a reasonable opportunity); and what R101

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PNP Contract Change

2009-09-02 Thread comex
; it's generally impossible to platonically conclude whether someone had the opportunity or not, but it's certainly possible to conclude whether it's reasonable to believe that they did; and it's unreasonable to conclude that any PNP party (apart from comex, who proposed the change) definitely

DIS: Re: BUS: CoE Acceptance

2009-09-02 Thread comex
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:11 PM, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: but if the second one was, then the first one wasn't, as it denies that the first one was sent by it (i.e. accepting the CoE); the Executor of the first message is definitely comex, and it's plausible to reason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PNP amendment

2009-09-02 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I make the above change, assuming ais523 and I were actually the last 2 people to be active on PerlNomic when the file making us active was deleted.  (This is probably impossible to determine, but seems very likely

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Card plays and a proposal

2009-09-02 Thread comex
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: ais523 wrote: Also, why 6466 anyway? I don't get what's so important about that proposal. Consider what happens when a smart-ass Justiciar assigns ID number 99.  Just because we haven't had any chaotic ID

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6474-6475

2009-09-01 Thread comex
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:44 AM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 6475 D 0 2.0 c.                  Simple satisfaction fix FOR (no-op anyway if 6470 passes first) I strongly hope it doesn't. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: NoVs

2009-09-01 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: For the week of Aug 10-16 game custom dictates I should not be penalized due to recently assuming the office. I disagree, half a week should be more than enough time. I completed the Anarchist's weekly

DIS: Re: BUS: corporate raiding

2009-08-31 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, with the Support of the People, to cause the PBA to audit the IBA. It doesn't have any Penalty Box cards, and needs to intend first in any case. -- -c.

DIS: Re: BUS: Quick stuff

2009-08-31 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Sean Hunt wrote: If a member, I leave the LPRS. -coppro I deposit 4 WRVs. I buy a Digit Ranch. -coppro I'm treating this as failing to deposit anything in the IBA (because coppro is a party to the PBA, not to mention the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Quick stuff

2009-08-31 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: I agree in this case. The PBA has seen recent activity. I do interpret this as an AAA-defined attempt to purchase a ranch. Oh! I completely forgot about that. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pavitra's Actions (automated)

2009-08-31 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: As quoted from every message sent from my site: NOTE: Actions taken in this message are on behalf of Pavitra as = permitted by contract, and may in turn be on behalf of other = recordkeepors and/or officeholders. may in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Quick stuff

2009-08-31 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a member of the PBA, and the LPRS no longer exists. The wiki says you are: http://agora-notary.wikidot.com/the-people-s-bank-of-agora -- -c.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6461-6473

2009-08-31 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: comex wrote: 6473 O 0 1.0 coppro              That Was Easy ISELL(30zm - AGAINST) I fill this offer/purchase it/make comex vote FOR on that proposal. (This caused me to retract my AGAINST vote and vote FOR.) -- -c.

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2664 assigned to c.

2009-08-31 Thread comex
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2664 ===  CFJ 2664 (Interest Index = 2)      The Ambassador has a weekly report

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-29 Thread comex
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Pavitracelestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: It occurs to me that R754(3) fails to establish a precedence relation between legal and mathematical definitions. I've never seen if A, then B used as iff as an _expression_-- to answer is it true that if A, then B?.

DIS: Re: BUS: An Uncertain Set of Actions

2009-08-29 Thread comex
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: If BobTHJ is owed the title Three Months Long Service, I award it to em. If BobTHJ is owed the title Six Months Long Service, I award it to em. If

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Emergency Fix Proposal

2009-08-28 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: Well, to be honest the whole thing doesn't make sense. comex's arguments only further convinced me that the rule has been broken all along. I retract the above proposal (which wasn't distributable anyway

Re: DIS: A short eulogy for a Python script

2009-08-27 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/8/27 comex com...@gmail.com: A few days ago, I mistakenly untarred a large bunch of files into my home directory.  I tried to delete the files by piping the output of a listing to xargs rm -r... I had

DIS: Re: BUS: PNP amendment

2009-08-27 Thread comex
2009/8/27 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: I intend, without objection, to modify section 8 of the PNP agreement by replacing http://nomic.info/perlnomic; with http://www.normish.org/perlnomic;. Note that you can't resolve this intent due to P6448. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6441-6453

2009-08-27 Thread comex
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: The 'and' in bullet point 3 really doesn't make since. If it is to be treated as anding the bullets together than all dependant actions failed since it was added (since those actions would have to depend on support,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: NOV Cleanup

2009-08-27 Thread comex
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: True, but the problem with the 5-lights scam was not the NOV publication. It was the ability to publish, contest, CFJ, and sentence all in the same message. The with N support 'fix' for NOV publication attacked the wrong

DIS: A short eulogy for a Python script

2009-08-26 Thread comex
A few days ago, I mistakenly untarred a large bunch of files into my home directory. I tried to delete the files by piping the output of a listing to xargs rm -r... I had a bit too much success. The first entry in the list was '.', and a significant chunk of my home directory was deleted... I

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: IBA Motions

2009-08-25 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: NOTE: Redo with R107 required information and adjusted rate for points. FYI, you didn't give a list of valid options (but I'm not sending this ttpf; not trying to be a jerk)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: IBA Motions

2009-08-25 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't matter; the lack just needs to be pointed out. It needs to be identified. On the one hand, if I personally identify a lack of information in the message (realize that there is a lack of information), but don't mention it

DIS: Re: BUS: ə amendments

2009-08-21 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, without objection from any party to ə in the next 24 hours, to act on behalf of ə to amend it by appending A player may not join ə without giving at least 4 days and at most 2 weeks notice of their intent. Arguably

DIS: Re: BUS: Actions

2009-08-20 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: I IBA-Withdraw a WRV. Fails. The IBA has no WRV. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6441-6449

2009-08-19 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:21 PM, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: As far as I can tell, this correctly scams round loopholes in the proposal's tricks; if the proposal would pass even with an AGAINST from me, I have no votes AGAINST; and I have ten thousand unconditional votes FOR, so

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6441-6449

2009-08-19 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I think there's precedent that randomly high votes work fine (I suppose unless some critical threshold in the upper reaches makes a scam work). But it may be just that assessors haven't questioned it.  In theory it may

DIS: Re: BUS: An Apologetic Proposal

2009-08-17 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:03 AM, C-walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: I submit the following proposal and play Distrib-u-matic to make it Distributable. {{ An Apologetic Proposal (AI = 2, II = 2) [[ This proposal turns Senatorship into a switch, clarifies dependent actions with

DIS: Re: BUS: An Apologetic Proposal

2009-08-17 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:03 AM, C-walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: An Apologetic Proposal (AI = 2, II = 2) Amend Rule 1950 by replacing its entire text with: Oh, and this needs AI 3. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal: Banks

2009-08-17 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: comex wrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: A Bank is a public contract whose purpose includes facilitating a means of asset exchange between players. Any party to a contract CAN

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An Apologetic Proposal

2009-08-17 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: Problem: Former players retain their senatorship and thus become voters in an emergency session. Nope, because Senator is redefined as a subset of first-class players... but I think this would actually be a good thing,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2655 assigned to c.

2009-08-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: I intend (with 2 support) to appeal this case. The relevant section of R2258 said nothing about weekly reports (at the time this CFJ was called): Oh. Duh. My mistake. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2654 assigned to ais523

2009-08-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 13:54, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2654 ==  Equity Case 2654  ==    The PBA has

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal: Banks

2009-08-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: A Bank is a public contract whose purpose includes facilitating a means of asset exchange between players. Any party to a contract CAN cause that contract to become a Bank without three objections. Which contract? Any

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Hand Limit Remodel

2009-08-12 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: Append to the list of cards in R2261 (The Deck of Change): {{ Supersize Me - Specify an entity. That entity's Hand Limit is increased by 1. Shrink Potion - Specify an entity. That entity's Hand Limit is decreased by 1. }}

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Banks

2009-08-12 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: A Bank is a public contract whose purpose includes facilitating a means of asset exchange between players. Any player CAN cause a public contract to become a Bank without three objections. Any player CAN cause a Bank to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal: Hand Limit Remodel

2009-08-12 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: {{ Penalty Box - Specify an entity. Playing this card announces intent to audit that entity With Notice, so long as that entity is not audited between the time this card is played and the time intent is resolved. }}

DIS: Re: BUS: Rulekeepor Election

2009-08-12 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Aaron Goldfeinaarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I initiate an election for Rulekeepor. I nominate myself as Rulekeepor. You need 4 support. -- -c.

Re: DIS: nomic.bob-space.com status

2009-08-12 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/8/12 Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com: nomic.bob-space.com is down (well, on error since I'm too lazy to display a proper site down message - some features may still work) while I make some significant

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rulekeepor Election

2009-08-12 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Aaron Goldfeinaarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: The IADoP's report says that an election hasn't been initiated since May. I guess that's incorrect. The recently-ended election was initiated at the end of July. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA Actions

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: Origin IP is 64.17.129.3 or possibly 64.17.152.116. There were two messages within the past 15 minutes, both with the subject BobTHJ's actions (automated). Thanks, BobTHJ I received one such message. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Of course.  All of Agora depends on email to exist.  Contracts depend on language.  I agree with you that it doesn't mean that R1728 clause is wholly broken because nothing exists in a vacuum. The only places email is

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/8/11 Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com: I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed? CotC, majorly. Do you mean overriding random assignments to get favorable

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Which one was that, again? http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-busin...@agoranomic.org/msg13200.html -- -c.

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:  1) We somehow forgot about the rising support requirement to publish       multiple NoVs in the same week. Didn't forget. The extra NoVs were, IIRC, ILLEGAL but VALID (because the Rule used MAY, which is nearly always a

DIS: Hand limits

2009-08-11 Thread comex
The IBA's hand limit is currently zero. That means that all of its cards will be destroyed next month, which is a pretty urgent problem, but it's not clear to me how to fix it. There are a few options: - Do nothing. Everyone will have to get their cards out at the end of the month.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: comex wrote: I deposit 2xDistrib-u-Matic, 1xDebate-o-Matic, 1xLocal Election in the IBA for a total of 170zm. INVALID; the IBA cannot own crops. Ugh, what's the point of restricting it to players and contests? Why contests

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: No offense taken, I'll be careful of the pattern.  Though I'm not sure may was an error in the original (when it was a pragmatic MAY publish with no support issues - the pre-great-repeals legal system had a lot of

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:45 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: No offense taken, I'll be careful of the pattern.  Though I'm not sure may was an error in the original (when it was a pragmatic MAY publish with no support

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Rule 2226

2009-08-10 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Pavitracelestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: I also think unless constitutes a claim of precedence. Do we have rules or precedents about what happens when two contradictory clauses in the same Rule each claim precedence over the other? Yes! -- -c.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2656a assigned to coppro, c-walker, G.

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: AOL! n.b. this is ineffective (CFJ 1536) -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Some NoVs

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: Note that since developing it I've tried to make my program adaptable to this process. It hasn't been easy to come up with a workable solution, and it is still not complete, but my system now correctly models about 99% of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Card Actions

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: C-walker wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: C-walker wrote: I change my salary to 'Change, Change, Government, Government'. Is anyone willing to trade any of my Justice cards for Change

DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: [I pledged to post a proto.  Here it is.  I already had a private discussion with c. about it; he made some good counterarguments, I hope e will re-post it for a discussion to happen before the judgement is due].

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Trumpeting

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: comex CAN adopt a trumpet without 15 objections; its power is set to one, and then it takes effect.  It does not otherwise take effect. Doesn't fix the problem that this text has

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2656a assigned to coppro, c-walker, G.

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: So why isn't AGAINT allowed to be a vote of AGAINST again?  It's a perfectly normal and understandable typo that's tainted by an ancient CFJ. I have, in the past, repeatedly used it with the intended meaning FOR-- I used

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I think this holds some water, perhaps more than my argument.  And it's much simpler. R1728 allows Contract-actions as long as:                                               the effects of that      action are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:00 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: It says depends on, not depends only on.  If one or more factors is necessary to preserve the existence of an entity, and one of them *are necessary -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: It says depends on, not depends only on.  If one or more factors is necessary to preserve the existence of an entity, and one of them is the contract, then its existence depends

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-09 Thread comex
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: It says depends on, not depends only on.  If one or more factors is necessary

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