Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > On Saturday 20 September 2008 08:05:42 pm comex wrote: >> To my mind, this is an example of 'amendment by stealth' of the >> kind discussed in CFJ 858. I think it conflicts with the Rules the >> meanings of whose terms it tries to change. > > H. CotC Murphy, would it be possible

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Michael Norrish wrote: > Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: >>> Perhaps it's here? >>> http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2003-January/000457.html >> >> That's the one! Looks like it just made it in to the present-day a

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-21 Thread Michael Norrish
Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: On Saturday 20 September 2008 08:54:26 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/AgoraTheses doesn't list any thesis of yours. Where can it be found? Hrm, I don't know. It was about three computers ago on my end,

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-21 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 21 September 2008 12:53:38 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: > Now looking back, I think the committee never got around to > actually awarding (or denying for that matter) the degree (that was > when degree- awarding mechanisms were pretty cumbersome). -Goethe. Perhaps you should resubmit?

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: > On Saturday 20 September 2008 08:54:26 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/AgoraTheses doesn't >>> list any thesis of yours. Where can it be found? >> >> Hrm, I don't know. It was about three computers ago on my end, the >>

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread comex
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) Make rules ordinal by category. Rules in different categories are > incomparable precedence-wise. Additionally, rules cannot reference > terms, concepts, or entities defined in other categories without an > explicit "impo

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proto-proto: Make power ordinal rather than cardinal, and organize the > ruleset by power. Occasionally we would have rules like "rules below > this one can be changed with AI >= 2". Early (powerful) rules would > include "def

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 20 September 2008 09:35:06 pm ihope wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Ben Caplan wrote: > > Proto-proto: Make power ordinal rather than cardinal, and > > organize the ruleset by power. Occasionally we would have rules > > like "rules below this one can be changed with AI >= 2".

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 20 September 2008 08:05:42 pm comex wrote: > Really, the Agoran power system is completely broken. Any > high-power Rule that uses a term defined in a low-power Rule is > potentially a conduit for a "power escalation" by a scamster, and > often is. On Thursday 09 January 2003 05:49:54

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread ihope
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proto-proto: Make power ordinal rather than cardinal, and organize the > ruleset by power. Occasionally we would have rules like "rules below > this one can be changed with AI >= 2". Early (powerful) rules would > include "def

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 20 September 2008 08:54:26 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: > > http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/AgoraTheses doesn't > > list any thesis of yours. Where can it be found? > > Hrm, I don't know. It was about three computers ago on my end, the > only other place it ended up was on the mail

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: > On Saturday 20 September 2008 08:51:14 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: >> making that broader adjustment was, for some reasons I don't quite >> recall, the subject of some interesting discussion which never came >> around to an agreed-upon fix. >> >> -Goethe. > > Pro

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 20 September 2008 08:51:14 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: > making that broader adjustment was, for some reasons I don't quite > recall, the subject of some interesting discussion which never came > around to an agreed-upon fix. > > -Goethe. Proto-proto: Make power ordinal rather than cardinal,

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, comex wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Nice example, since the creation of the fountain was due to such a scam. >> It's called a "ladder scam". This was the subject of my thesis, and I >> believe Andre's as well. IIRC I thin

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: > On Saturday 20 September 2008 08:19:44 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Nice example, since the creation of the fountain was due to such a >> scam. It's called a "ladder scam". This was the subject of my >> thesis, and I believe Andre's as well. IIRC I think I re

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread comex
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nice example, since the creation of the fountain was due to such a scam. > It's called a "ladder scam". This was the subject of my thesis, and I > believe Andre's as well. IIRC I think I recommended at the time > a tweak t

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 20 September 2008 08:19:44 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: > Nice example, since the creation of the fountain was due to such a > scam. It's called a "ladder scam". This was the subject of my > thesis, and I believe Andre's as well. IIRC I think I recommended > at the time a tweak to R754 but I

Re: DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, comex wrote: > Really, the Agoran power system is completely broken. Any high-power > Rule that uses a term defined in a low-power Rule is potentially a > conduit for a "power escalation" by a scamster, and often is. Not > only do high-power Rules do often use such definitio

DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Emergency exit, part 2

2008-09-20 Thread comex
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:04 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any player can make arbitrary changes to the rules with 12 Support. Not much of an escape clause when it depends on a Power=1 rule to define "player". Swap "player" for "person" and you're still depending on multiple Power=2 rul