Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I think "reasonably implied consent" should be stronger: something like "explicit and knowing consent" Well the point here was to make it work for a Cantus Cygneus, without the Player having to be careful to explicitly _say_ in the CG that e consents to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-29 Thread VJ Rada
I think "reasonably implied consent" should be stronger: something like "explicit and knowing consent" On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, Telnaior wrote: > >> That's kind of a pity, given how longstanding that rule is. How about we

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, Telnaior wrote: That's kind of a pity, given how longstanding that rule is. How about we fix that? I create the following proposal and spend an Action Point (1 -> 0) to pend it: Title: Don't FAGE the FAGE Author: Telnaior AI: 3 { Change the power of Rule 1789 ("Cantus

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: Why? They only deregister the player, not restrict their actions.+ By "for the same reason" I meant because of conflict with a higher power rule. 1. Black Cards (if they had worked at all) couldn't have prevented V.J. Rada from

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Why? They only deregister the player, not restrict their actions.+ On 11/28/2017 09:11 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> Keep in mind that it may not be all or nothing.  Black Cards are only >> Power-2.  So the RttCN clause in that Rule only applies to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 28, 2017, at 11:46 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Can't non-players own bills? Well, I thought not, but on futher review, maybe they can. Rule 2166 (“Assets”): Unless modified by an asset's backing document, ownership of an asset is restricted to Agora,

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread VJ Rada
Can't non-players own bills? On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > >> Also I deregister. If I can take game actions. If I can't, I can't >> deregister. "but wait doesn't that mean Rada is a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:00 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 21:57 -0500, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >>> >>> (If I can take actions) >>> >>> I destroy 10 bills, get 1 shinies, and use it to

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
Oop. Missed that, complied completely by accident. Thanks! -o > On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:00 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > See paragraph 3 of Rule 2522. > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 21:57 Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> >>> On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 21:57 -0500, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > > > (If I can take actions) > > > > I destroy 10 bills, get 1 shinies, and use it to create a contract > > with the following text {This sentence is false. If the

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread Alexis Hunt
See paragraph 3 of Rule 2522. On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 21:57 Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > > > (If I can take actions) > > > > I destroy 10 bills, get 1 shinies, and use it to create a contract > > with the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Keep in mind that it may not be all or nothing. Black Cards are only Power-2. So the RttCN clause in that Rule only applies to abilities of power 2 or less (if that approach is taken). So likely all the stuff like deregistration/registration works.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread VJ Rada
True actually. I forgot that "all game actions" really means "all game actions of power 2 or less". On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> Paradoxes are easy. > > Yup - if you can put arbitrary text into something

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > Paradoxes are easy. Yup - if you can put arbitrary text into something with legal status, it's trivial. Need to drag out the reasons from old precedents that basic contract loopiness from trivial paradoxes doesn't trigger PARADOXICAL wins, and see if that

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

2017-11-28 Thread VJ Rada
I was also considering {V.J. Rada CAN shave all those who do not shave themselves} On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:53 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > (If I can take actions) > > I destroy 10 bills, get 1 shinies, and use it to create a contract > with the following text {This sentence is