DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD

2009-06-07 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Charles Walker wrote: proposal: { SHOULD AI 3, II 2 In Rule 2152, Mother, May I?, replace point 7 with: {{ 7. SHOULD, ENCOURAGED, RECOMMENDED: Before failing to perform the described action, the full implications of failing to perform it SHALL be understood and carefully

DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD really sucks.

2009-03-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: After having carefully considered the consequences of doing so, including the fact that it opens up Agora to multiple easy wins; that it reveals a serious flaw in the rules; and that it allows me to win, for the duration of this message I will fail to

DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD really sucks.

2009-03-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: If the proposal entitled Fix recursive SHOULD was adopted at the same time as this proposal, it is of no effect. This is an interesting, orthogonal note. Assuming the referent of it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD really sucks.

2009-03-14 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 07:52 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: If the proposal entitled Fix recursive SHOULD was adopted at the same time as this proposal, it is of no effect. This is an

DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD really sucks.

2009-03-14 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 00:53 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: After having carefully considered the consequences of doing so, including the fact that it opens up Agora to multiple easy wins; that it reveals a serious flaw in the rules; and that it allows me to win, for the duration of this message I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD really sucks.

2009-03-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 07:52 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: If the proposal entitled Fix recursive SHOULD was adopted at the same time as this

DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD really sucks.

2009-03-14 Thread comex
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: After having carefully considered the consequences of doing so, including the fact that it opens up Agora to multiple easy wins; that it reveals a serious flaw in the rules; and that it allows me to win, for the duration of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD really sucks.

2009-03-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, comex wrote: But I believe this is incorrect, because this is not a pragmatic nomic: it's a platonic nomic with some explicit elements of pragmatism. Perhaps a typical example of the fallacy of I Think It Is, Therefore It Has Become So?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD really sucks.

2009-03-14 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/14 Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu: Perhaps a typical example of the fallacy of I Think It Is, Therefore It Has Become So? That has plagued Agora for a long time?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD really sucks.

2009-03-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: Yah, that would be fine for the same practical effect, although it couldn't wholly undo things - if the previous one changed a rule and then a later one put it back, at the very least an amendment number would change. It would be possible to go further and retroactively reset