DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

2014-02-22 Thread Fool
On 2014-02-21 11:59 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: (a) whether my ruling was based on the meaning of win the game, or was based on R2419 having insufficient. The primary basis of my judgment is that, in the Agoran tradition, win the game does not imply ending Agora. I considered whether R2419 had the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

2014-02-22 Thread omd
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: No, that wasn't it. Of course there was a game to consider the best interest of, prior to ending it. What remains to be shown is that it was in the best interest of the game to continue it indefinitely. People win, games end; this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

2014-02-22 Thread woggle
On 2/22/14, 1:44 , Fool wrote: [snip] It is correct that R1698 had a chance to act before the game ended. So Alex Smith's proposed amendment would have been effective in preventing the end of the game. But in absense of that amendment, it remains to be shown that ending Agora falls under

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

2014-02-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014, woggle wrote: On 2/22/14, 1:44 , Fool wrote: [snip] It is correct that R1698 had a chance to act before the game ended. So Alex Smith's proposed amendment would have been effective in preventing the end of the game. But in absense of that amendment, it remains to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

2014-02-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014, Fool wrote: On the contrary, it used to be explicitly stated winning the game does not cause Agora to end, and moreover rule 101 used to say Agora since its inception has functioned not only a game but as a society. Then the ruleset was radically overhauled. In the new

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

2014-02-22 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: This is, in part, why the original Suberian ruleset made sure to specify that the worst that could happen to you was leaving the game, because in nomic the in-game and out-of-game are in a very different place than in traditional games (didn't Vlad

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

2014-02-22 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, Ørjan Johansen wrote: I thought it was Swann (a bit hard to cross reference pseudonyms :P), but anyhow the book I remember is http://www.amazon.com/The-Omega-Game-Steven-Krane/dp/0886779073 Oh hm definitely Swann: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._Andrew_Swann (BTW I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

2014-02-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, Ørjan Johansen wrote: I thought it was Swann (a bit hard to cross reference pseudonyms :P), but anyhow the book I remember is http://www.amazon.com/The-Omega-Game-Steven-Krane/dp/0886779073 Oh hm definitely Swann: