Re: DIS: [FRC] Draft Judgements
I find all these judgements very fitting, O Aris, Supreme Eminence,
Pontifex Maximus!
On 8/7/19 11:40 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
Anyone see any obvious errors or omissions in this?
Aris
Pontefix Maximus
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[Apologies for how long this took and for any errors. I've been busy for
the last few days with a combination of work and health problems. I wanted
to get something out.]
Rankings:
Fasifian- +2.2
Jason Cobb - +1.7
Trigon - +1.5
twg - +1.0
nch - +1.0
R. Lee - -0.5
Rule 1, by Jason Cobb:
I hereby become a constant, submitting the following Fantasy Rule
("Entry into the Church"):
I submit myself to the Agoran Gods!
As directed by Eir Supreme Eminence, The Pontifex Maximus, the Agoran
Gods must be properly worshiped. Because of this, the Church simply
cannot abide by a person simply becoming declaring that they become a
contestant, for that is too easy an act.
It is hereby decreed that the first Fantasy Rule created by each player
SHALL have the header "I submit myself to the Agoran Gods!", in order to
ensure that those joining the church do properly recognize that their
only purpose in life is to submit to the Agoran Gods, praise be to them
and their worshippers!
VALID.
The Agoran Gods find this rule fairly uninteresting on its own merits. However,
they also recognize that it takes much more effort to make the first move
in the infinite sea of possibilities. They also appreciate the requirement
that new worshipers express their religious devotion.
Style Points: 1.2
Rule 2, by R. Lee:
I submit myself to the Agoran Gods! I join the FRC and create the following
rule
O Hark, the commandments of the LORD are upon us! The LORD demanding the
respect he deserves, the LORD hereby decrees that all references to Agoran
Gods shall refer to em in ALL CAPITALS.
Praise the LORD
VALID.
R. Lee, this message is distinctly under-punctuated, and does not show enough
effort to please the gods. In addition, while they do appreciate the respect
of having their names capitalized, having them shouted is perhaps a bit
overenthusiastic. The Agoran Gods are not pleased.
Style Points: -0.5
Rule 3, by Trigon:
I submit myself to the Agoran Gods!
I create the following Fantasy Rule: {
The final paragraph of each contest message shall contain a message of
praise to each Agoran God mentioned previously in a contest message, plus
one not mentioned previously.
}
I apologise for my formatting. I declare myself a miserable worm and
promise that once I have access to it, I shall use Thunderbird instead of
the Gmail client.
I praise the LORD and ARCAS, god of the very land we live on.
VALID.
The Agoran Gods appreciate receiving praise, as well as this acknowledgement
of their infinite multiplicity. They also recognize that this is a good
building block for future efforts.
Style Points: 1.5
Rule 4, by Falsifian:
I submit myself to the Agoran Gods! I submit the following rule to the
contest:
{
I dedicate this rule to ARCAS.
Every new rule must be dedicated to exactly one Agoran God, called the
rule's Patron God. The Patron God must have been mentioned in a previous
contest message.
The validity requirements added by rules after this apply only to rules
dedicated to a different Patron God. (For example, if a rule dedicated
to the LORD said that new rules must rhyme, that requirement would only
apply to rules not dedicated to the LORD.)
}
I praise the LORD. I thank ARCAS, god of the very land we live on. I
honour THE AGORAN SPIRIT OF THE GAME.
VALID.
The Gods are thrilled that their cults are being made more distinct at last.
In addition, this system of patronage is interesting and provides an
opportunity for future growth. The gods accordingly bless you.
Good work, Falsifian!
Style Points: 2.2
Rule 5, by twg:
I submit myself to the Agoran Gods!
This rule is dedicated to THE AGORAN SPIRIT OF THE GAME.
Wheretofore they are Heretics and Blasphemers who have shown disrespect to THE
AGORAN SPIRIT OF THE GAME, let it be hereby decreed that each message shall
invoke a curse against one or more Fugitives of the Old Law, as recorded in
the Scroll of Agora; truly, it is right and meet that this be done in the name
of the Agoran Gods. Let dark clouds of woefulness, no less frightful than
those which moistened the robes of Eir Supreme Eminence the Pontifex Maximus,
descend upon Morendil!
Let us, of course, always remain faithful in our worship of the LORD, first
and most holy of the Agoran Gods, and honour supreme ARCAS, god of the very
land we live on. Yet too shall
DIS: Re: BUS: More space shenanigans
I probably will, but I want to make sure you get your speaker ribbon first
:).
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 4:29 PM James Cook wrote:
> On Sun., Aug. 4, 2019, 20:47 James Cook, wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 04:46, Jason Cobb wrote:
> > > On 8/5/19 12:45 AM, James Cook wrote:
> > > > I will spend 1 Energy in this Space Battle.
> > > >
> > > > -- - Falsifian
> > >
> > > I cause G. to resolve the Space Battle between Jason Cobb and Falsifian
> > > as follows:
> > > {
> > > Falsfian wins this Space Battle.
> > > Falsfian spent 1 energy in this Space Battle. Jason Cobb spent 0 energy
> > > in this Space Battle.
> > > Falsfian's Spaceship spent 1 energy and now has 19 energy. Jason Cobb's
> > > Spaceship spent 0 energy and now has 19 energy.
> > > Falsfian's Spaceship's Armour decreased by 0, and is now 10. Jason
> > > Cobb's Spaceship's Armour decreased by 1 and is now 9.
> > > Falsfian's Fame increased by 1 to 10. Jason Cobb's Fame remains
> > > unchanged and is -10.
> > > }
> > >
> > > We did it!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jason Cobb
> >
> > Hooray! I intend, with 2 days notice, to win the game.
> >
> > --
> > - Falsifian
> >
>
> Having given notice, I win the game.
>
> (Jason Cobb, you're welcome to win again if you want to be the most recent
> winner.)
>
> - Falsifian
>
> >
>
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More space shenanigans
So, I typically wait about 24 hours just to make sure no one raises a
question with the win (not that I expect one here, there was plenty of
time during the Notice period).
But I'm wondering: D. Margaux did the "win 500 times" with Apathy
last fall, and I *thought* we discussed a fix so that one intent - >
one action performance. I'm not finding that we implemented the fix,
but does anyone remember if we did and I'm missing it? (Not that I
mind at all: the fault here is with Fame that doesn't reset itself,
win conditions SHOULD clean up after themselves - just want to keep
the record straight where possible, if I'm missing something obvious).
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 1:31 PM Jason Cobb wrote:
>
> I probably will, but I want to make sure you get your speaker ribbon first
> :).
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 4:29 PM James Cook wrote:
>
> > On Sun., Aug. 4, 2019, 20:47 James Cook, wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 04:46, Jason Cobb wrote:
> > > > On 8/5/19 12:45 AM, James Cook wrote:
> > > > > I will spend 1 Energy in this Space Battle.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- - Falsifian
> > > >
> > > > I cause G. to resolve the Space Battle between Jason Cobb and Falsifian
> > > > as follows:
> > > > {
> > > > Falsfian wins this Space Battle.
> > > > Falsfian spent 1 energy in this Space Battle. Jason Cobb spent 0 energy
> > > > in this Space Battle.
> > > > Falsfian's Spaceship spent 1 energy and now has 19 energy. Jason Cobb's
> > > > Spaceship spent 0 energy and now has 19 energy.
> > > > Falsfian's Spaceship's Armour decreased by 0, and is now 10. Jason
> > > > Cobb's Spaceship's Armour decreased by 1 and is now 9.
> > > > Falsfian's Fame increased by 1 to 10. Jason Cobb's Fame remains
> > > > unchanged and is -10.
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > We did it!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jason Cobb
> > >
> > > Hooray! I intend, with 2 days notice, to win the game.
> > >
> > > --
> > > - Falsifian
> > >
> >
> > Having given notice, I win the game.
> >
> > (Jason Cobb, you're welcome to win again if you want to be the most recent
> > winner.)
> >
> > - Falsifian
> >
> > >
> >
Re: DIS: [FRC] Draft Judgements
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 7:00 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 8/8/2019 6:39 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: > > On 8/8/19 1:40 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > >> Rule 9, by nch: > > > > > > Your Supreme Eminence, I humbly suggest that Rule 9 is INVALID due to its > > failure to contain the word "please" in the first paragraph following the > > opening brace, as required by Rule 6. > > And, Your Supreme Eminence, whether the invalidity of the Rule 9 returns > the blessed ERIS to the formless chaos of "having not yet been mentioned" > (thus potentially invalidating my most recent humble offering), given that > the "mentioning" in Rules 3 and 4 is in "contest messages" which may or may > not be affected by the validity of any Fantasy Rule contained in said > messages. (And before you answer, oh Great and Wise Pontifex Maximus, I feel duty-bound to point out, humbly and with abasement, that historically speaking, excluding ERIS from any celestial celebration is known to be a Very Bad Idea).
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More space shenanigans
On 8/8/19 3:50 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Well only 1 counts for Transparent - it's the number of "types" of ribbons that matters there. I know, but it's also cool to be able to say that I've won Agora 999 times :P. -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More space shenanigans
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 12:44 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > I kind of just want the ribbons for transparent purposes. Well only 1 counts for Transparent - it's the number of "types" of ribbons that matters there.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [frc] the riches of our temple shall accumulate
On 8/8/19 8:32 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 8/8/19 10:24 PM, Rebecca wrote: Sorry, to praise a new god E praised UNICODE in the final paragraph. Indeed. UNICODE's name was not placed at the end of the list, which I assume is what confused you, R. Lee. -- Trigon
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [frc] the riches of our temple shall accumulate
I humbly submit that this rule is, in fact, valid, as the first mention of ERIS was actually in nch's rule here: https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg34767.html On 8/8/19 6:30 PM, Rebecca wrote: I humbly submit this rule is invalid. It is dedicated to ERIS, who was mentioned the first time in this message (in a valid rule). But it is specifically required that dedications must be to previously mentioned GODS On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:51 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: I submit myself to the Agoran Gods! I dedicate this rule to ERIS, goddess of Chaos. May Her Golden Apple fall on Evantine the Mad, whom this humble worshipper confirms today is still Mad, and curse em with the burden of Perfect Sanity. So as to please the gods and fill the riches of our temple, each future dedication of a rule must include a previously-undescribed tool or symbol of the thus-honored god or goddess; a humble and mortal model of each such object is automatically placed on the altar for potential later use. Blessings to the LORD, may E walk among the land of ARCAS, honored here, and may the HONOURLESS WORM forever find safe refuge and harbor in the THE AGORAN SPIRIT OF THE GAME. May INTERCAL pass over us and may praised ASCIIUS bless the formatting of our reports, even as our New Testament leads us to UNICODE the all-embracing. May great and wrathful CANTUS absolve of from anger, and may blessed ERIS show us the True Way. -- Trigon
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More space shenanigans
On Wed., Aug. 7, 2019, 16:55 Nich Evans, wrote:
>
> On 8/4/19 11:47 PM, James Cook wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 04:46, Jason Cobb wrote:
> >> On 8/5/19 12:45 AM, James Cook wrote:
> >>> I will spend 1 Energy in this Space Battle.
> >>>
> >>> -- - Falsifian
> >> I cause G. to resolve the Space Battle between Jason Cobb and Falsifian
> >> as follows:
> >> {
> >> Falsfian wins this Space Battle.
> >> Falsfian spent 1 energy in this Space Battle. Jason Cobb spent 0 energy
> >> in this Space Battle.
> >> Falsfian's Spaceship spent 1 energy and now has 19 energy. Jason Cobb's
> >> Spaceship spent 0 energy and now has 19 energy.
> >> Falsfian's Spaceship's Armour decreased by 0, and is now 10. Jason
> >> Cobb's Spaceship's Armour decreased by 1 and is now 9.
> >> Falsfian's Fame increased by 1 to 10. Jason Cobb's Fame remains
> >> unchanged and is -10.
> >> }
> >>
> >> We did it!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jason Cobb
> > Hooray! I intend, with 2 days notice, to win the game.
> Well done shenanigans. Semi-related thought: when space battles get
> fixed should we make losing a battle increment/decrement you towards 0?
>
> --
> Nich Evans
>
Sounds reasonable. I'm on my way to a hiking trip right now but otherwise
might try to draft it.
>
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More space shenanigans
REmember to appoint a speaker also, G. On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:26 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > On 8/8/19 7:24 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I award Falsifian the Patent Title Champion. > > I award Jason Cobb the Patent Title Champion (once). > > > > (I'm sure these are fine, but I'll wait just a little longer in case > > someone wants to question the other 98). > > I award myself an Ultraviolet Ribbon. > > -- > Jason Cobb > > -- >From R. Lee
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [frc] the riches of our temple shall accumulate
On 8/8/19 10:24 PM, Rebecca wrote: Sorry, to praise a new god E praised UNICODE in the final paragraph. -- Jason Cobb
DIS: Re: BUS: [frc] the riches of our temple shall accumulate
I humbly submit this rule is invalid. It is dedicated to ERIS, who was mentioned the first time in this message (in a valid rule). But it is specifically required that dedications must be to previously mentioned GODS On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:51 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I submit myself to the Agoran Gods! > > I dedicate this rule to ERIS, goddess of Chaos. May Her Golden Apple > fall on Evantine the Mad, whom this humble worshipper confirms today is > still Mad, and curse em with the burden of Perfect Sanity. > > So as to please the gods and fill the riches of our temple, each future > dedication of a rule must include a previously-undescribed tool or symbol > of the thus-honored god or goddess; a humble and mortal model of each > such object is automatically placed on the altar for potential later use. > > Blessings to the LORD, may E walk among the land of ARCAS, honored here, > and may the HONOURLESS WORM forever find safe refuge and harbor in > the THE AGORAN SPIRIT OF THE GAME. May INTERCAL pass over us and may > praised ASCIIUS bless the formatting of our reports, even as our New > Testament leads us to UNICODE the all-embracing. May great and wrathful > CANTUS absolve of from anger, and may blessed ERIS show us the True Way. > > -- >From R. Lee
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [frc] the riches of our temple shall accumulate
I humbly submit that by Jason Cobb's previous arguments, that rule was also invalid, and if it was valid, G's rule is invalid for failing to dedicate itself to a new god. On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:00 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > I humbly submit that this rule is, in fact, valid, as the first mention > of ERIS was actually in nch's rule here: > https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg34767.html > > On 8/8/19 6:30 PM, Rebecca wrote: > > I humbly submit this rule is invalid. It is dedicated to ERIS, who was > > mentioned the first time in this message (in a valid rule). But it is > > specifically required that dedications must be to previously mentioned > GODS > > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:51 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > >> > >> I submit myself to the Agoran Gods! > >> > >> I dedicate this rule to ERIS, goddess of Chaos. May Her Golden Apple > >> fall on Evantine the Mad, whom this humble worshipper confirms today is > >> still Mad, and curse em with the burden of Perfect Sanity. > >> > >> So as to please the gods and fill the riches of our temple, each future > >> dedication of a rule must include a previously-undescribed tool or > symbol > >> of the thus-honored god or goddess; a humble and mortal model of each > >> such object is automatically placed on the altar for potential later > use. > >> > >> Blessings to the LORD, may E walk among the land of ARCAS, honored here, > >> and may the HONOURLESS WORM forever find safe refuge and harbor in > >> the THE AGORAN SPIRIT OF THE GAME. May INTERCAL pass over us and may > >> praised ASCIIUS bless the formatting of our reports, even as our New > >> Testament leads us to UNICODE the all-embracing. May great and wrathful > >> CANTUS absolve of from anger, and may blessed ERIS show us the True Way. > >> > >> > > > > -- > Trigon > -- >From R. Lee
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [frc] the riches of our temple shall accumulate
Sorry, to praise a new god On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Rebecca wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Rebecca wrote: > >> I humbly submit that by Jason Cobb's previous arguments, that rule was >> also invalid, and if it was valid, G's rule is invalid for failing to >> dedicate itself to a new god. >> >> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:00 PM Reuben Staley >> wrote: >> >>> I humbly submit that this rule is, in fact, valid, as the first mention >>> of ERIS was actually in nch's rule here: >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg34767.html >>> >>> On 8/8/19 6:30 PM, Rebecca wrote: >>> > I humbly submit this rule is invalid. It is dedicated to ERIS, who was >>> > mentioned the first time in this message (in a valid rule). But it is >>> > specifically required that dedications must be to previously mentioned >>> GODS >>> > >>> > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:51 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> I submit myself to the Agoran Gods! >>> >> >>> >> I dedicate this rule to ERIS, goddess of Chaos. May Her Golden Apple >>> >> fall on Evantine the Mad, whom this humble worshipper confirms today >>> is >>> >> still Mad, and curse em with the burden of Perfect Sanity. >>> >> >>> >> So as to please the gods and fill the riches of our temple, each >>> future >>> >> dedication of a rule must include a previously-undescribed tool or >>> symbol >>> >> of the thus-honored god or goddess; a humble and mortal model of each >>> >> such object is automatically placed on the altar for potential later >>> use. >>> >> >>> >> Blessings to the LORD, may E walk among the land of ARCAS, honored >>> here, >>> >> and may the HONOURLESS WORM forever find safe refuge and harbor in >>> >> the THE AGORAN SPIRIT OF THE GAME. May INTERCAL pass over us and may >>> >> praised ASCIIUS bless the formatting of our reports, even as our New >>> >> Testament leads us to UNICODE the all-embracing. May great and >>> wrathful >>> >> CANTUS absolve of from anger, and may blessed ERIS show us the True >>> Way. >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Trigon >>> >> >> >> -- >> From R. Lee >> > > > -- > From R. Lee > -- >From R. Lee
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [frc] the riches of our temple shall accumulate
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Rebecca wrote: > I humbly submit that by Jason Cobb's previous arguments, that rule was > also invalid, and if it was valid, G's rule is invalid for failing to > dedicate itself to a new god. > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:00 PM Reuben Staley > wrote: > >> I humbly submit that this rule is, in fact, valid, as the first mention >> of ERIS was actually in nch's rule here: >> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg34767.html >> >> On 8/8/19 6:30 PM, Rebecca wrote: >> > I humbly submit this rule is invalid. It is dedicated to ERIS, who was >> > mentioned the first time in this message (in a valid rule). But it is >> > specifically required that dedications must be to previously mentioned >> GODS >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:51 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I submit myself to the Agoran Gods! >> >> >> >> I dedicate this rule to ERIS, goddess of Chaos. May Her Golden Apple >> >> fall on Evantine the Mad, whom this humble worshipper confirms today is >> >> still Mad, and curse em with the burden of Perfect Sanity. >> >> >> >> So as to please the gods and fill the riches of our temple, each future >> >> dedication of a rule must include a previously-undescribed tool or >> symbol >> >> of the thus-honored god or goddess; a humble and mortal model of each >> >> such object is automatically placed on the altar for potential later >> use. >> >> >> >> Blessings to the LORD, may E walk among the land of ARCAS, honored >> here, >> >> and may the HONOURLESS WORM forever find safe refuge and harbor in >> >> the THE AGORAN SPIRIT OF THE GAME. May INTERCAL pass over us and may >> >> praised ASCIIUS bless the formatting of our reports, even as our New >> >> Testament leads us to UNICODE the all-embracing. May great and >> wrathful >> >> CANTUS absolve of from anger, and may blessed ERIS show us the True >> Way. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> Trigon >> > > > -- > From R. Lee > -- >From R. Lee
Re: DIS: [FRC] Draft Judgements
On 8/8/2019 6:39 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 8/8/19 1:40 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: >> Rule 9, by nch: > > > Your Supreme Eminence, I humbly suggest that Rule 9 is INVALID due to its > failure to contain the word "please" in the first paragraph following the > opening brace, as required by Rule 6. And, Your Supreme Eminence, whether the invalidity of the Rule 9 returns the blessed ERIS to the formless chaos of "having not yet been mentioned" (thus potentially invalidating my most recent humble offering), given that the "mentioning" in Rules 3 and 4 is in "contest messages" which may or may not be affected by the validity of any Fantasy Rule contained in said messages.
Re: DIS: [FRC] Draft Judgements
On 8/8/19 1:40 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: Rule 9, by nch: Your Supreme Eminence, I humbly suggest that Rule 9 is INVALID due to its failure to contain the word "please" in the first paragraph following the opening brace, as required by Rule 6. Worshiper of the AGORAN GODS, Jason Cobb
