Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deem deemed harmful

2007-01-30 Thread Zefram
Taral wrote: This is a perfectly reasonable use of deem. I find it difficult to imagine a reasonable use of deem. We should avoid legal fictions as far as possible. I read deemed like defined here. Let's write it like defined too, then. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial motion

2007-01-30 Thread Zefram
Michael Norrish wrote: Good. I feel that Zefram is objecting to the latter (but perhaps I am mis-representing him, in which case I apologise), I'm not objecting to the latter. Actually I do have an objection to retroactive effects, which is what that one is, but that's a much smaller objection

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial motion

2007-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: Past CFJs do not have the status of Rules. They are meant to guide play, but they cannot overrule a Rule if they conflict with one. Rules are nothing without actors who obey them. And the same actors interpret the judgements and their own authority as judges. In that sense,

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial motion

2007-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
I wrote: Only difference today is it takes a conspiracy of several now (pass the proposal, or defend a judgement through the appeals process). Side note: the conspiracy was attempted and failed (CFJ 1346). Bonus: the conspiracy used the word deemed.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Egregrious AI Modification Abuse

2007-01-30 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Grey Knight wrote: Upon adoption of this proposal, Rule 2127 (Conditional Votes) is repealed. I hereby modify the Adoption Index of this proposal to 2 yellow smarties. I consider the attempt to modify the AI to fail. I'll have to cross check the

DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: some deeming

2007-01-30 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jan 30, 2007, at 2:12 AM, Zefram wrote: H. Promotor, I hereby submit the following proposal: --- Upon the adoption of this proposal, Goethe is deemed to be a banana. --- -zefram You do realize that banana is not defined by the current Ruleset. - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM Promotor

DIS: Re: BUS: Blanket ratifications

2007-01-30 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jan 28, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: As Speaker, I intend (without objection) to ratify each of the following reports, posted by the noted players, on or about the noted times: * Herald, OscarMeyr, Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:49:07 -0500 I object; that report lists Zefram as a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Egregrious AI Modification Abuse

2007-01-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On 1/29/07, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Grey Knight wrote: Upon adoption of this proposal, Rule 2127 (Conditional Votes) is repealed. I hereby modify the Adoption Index of this proposal to 2 yellow smarties. I consider the attempt to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Egregrious AI Modification Abuse

2007-01-30 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jan 30, 2007, at 8:03 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: On 1/29/07, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Grey Knight wrote: Upon adoption of this proposal, Rule 2127 (Conditional Votes) is repealed. I hereby modify the Adoption Index of this proposal to

DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2007-01-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On 1/30/07, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On each proposal in the group of proposals from proposal 4893 to proposal 4902 (excluding proposal 4896) I place a vote of FOR, unless without my FOR vote any one of those proposals would not pass, in which case i place a vote of PRESENCE. Also if